If I were a coach I'd be tempted to put him on the line every single chance i got. Man can lay some bricks.
Fouling Bediako
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Top-five big man in the country and you gotta find fault . What a dips#it!
Ssshhh. Don’t give them any ideas! I know the SDSU coaches will be snooping around here like some people think Oats and Saban do.
Welcome to Rivals' Bama basketball board. Glad you're enjoying this ride until spring football starts, but calm down a little Alice. I'm not griping on our players but merely mentioning how I'd game plan against the buzzsaw that is Alabama. There is a legit game plan that could be utilized in slowing this team down to a crawl by giving Chuck 20-30 free throw attempts. I'd sure be tempted to use it because what everybody else is doing doesn't work very well.
But you’re at risk of fouling out all your bigs doing it
When we get to a game that's tight in the final two minutes we're going to have to pull him when we have the ball.
I don't think there are teams that deep enough to waste their players on fouling one guy. Ultimately, you have to hope everyone else on the team doesn't score.
You don’t have to do it with a big. Put in the walk ons that can shoot. They can space the floor and then foul Chuck. It’s more about whether the person can contribute on offense bc fouling doesn’t take size, skill, athleticism, etc. It’s not like you do it every possession. Just do it 2-3 here, and 2-3 there. And you can take away a decent amount of possessions by the end, which could easily be the difference.
That's the thing. Bama will score 10 points on you in 60 seconds. They do it all of the time in close games. So why not kill the momentum?
What does depth matter with that? It can break Bamas momentum. It can take away 10+ possessions. That has nothing to do with depth.
You Have to waste your bench and hope that your other players don’t foul the driving guards that we have. If you put in scrubs our 1st and 2nd string will eat them up and we don’t need to give the ball to Chuck.
The scrubs that come in to foul don’t have to do anything else. They can foul Chuck without the ball. Not sure you’ve ever seen that strategy out into place. It goes different than you are imagining.
The only problem with that is most teams don’t have the kind of quality depth to endure your plan. Especially when it comes to the big men in the middle.
Being a Laker fan I've seen it. I think you are just leaving out the rest of the team in your observation and you are hoping that he doesn't make any.
You've got to commit 6 fouls to even get to the bonus. So you are going to waste your players.
I get what you're saying but as @aggietider added you do it 2-3 minute periods in hopes of slowing the game down. You're going to accumulate fouls over the course of a half so you don't have to come out hacking from the opening tip.
Not saying it would change the result of the game but could force adjustments and change, which is what I would want. Could give Oats a reason to keep the best rim protector on the bench.
I’m not leaving anyone out. It’s just a couple minute period here and there when the other team is in the bonus.
And you aren’t just hoping he doesn’t make any. You’re just hoping he shoots his Norma percentage at best and you’re coming out on the good end.
This is the take I don’t understand. It doesn’t have to be a big man to foul Bediako. And it doesn’t take quality depth. Get the guy that doesn’t play a lot, or any, that can make an open 3 or offensive rebound or whatever. Offense is the issue when you put the guy in. He doesn’t have to be able to guard anyone at all. He’s just going to foul.
IMO, "hack-a-Shaq" would have to be strategically employed because as previously mentioned above, you are fouling out players you may need down the stretch, and Bediako tends to make a FT or two here and there. If the game is tight and there are 3 or 4 minutes left, you might want to take a chance on fouling him keeping in mind there is no guarantee he'll miss.
Aztecs are offensively challenged so pulling Bediako for Gurley late would seem to be an option. That would give us :
Miller 86%
Quinerly 85 %
Sears 84%
Gurley 77 %
Clowney 64 %
The biggest issue for teams employing a hacking philosophy—-the accumulation of fouls will effect their ability to play straight up aggressive defense on the rest of our guys. Miller, JQ, Sears, etc aggressively going to hoop would likely make any team regret such a strategy.
Miller 86%
Quinerly 85 %
Sears 84%
Gurley 77 %
Clowney 64 %
The biggest issue for teams employing a hacking philosophy—-the accumulation of fouls will effect their ability to play straight up aggressive defense on the rest of our guys. Miller, JQ, Sears, etc aggressively going to hoop would likely make any team regret such a strategy.
This late game possibility has worried me in some of our closer games. Enough that its suddenly a good thing that Oats almost never uses a timeout. Then we can sub after a defensive possession and get someone that can hit a free throw. If Bediako is on the court in a late game moment where the other team is absolutely fouling to extend the game I hope we're more than a bucket or two ahead so Bediako isn't on the court or even at Oats side ready to run check in at a moments notice.
If I'm the opposing coach and Bediako is on the court when we need a stop I'm getting anyone on the court to foul Bediako off the ball. Grab him, run through him, trip him... whatever you can do short of an obvious flagrant foul. As bad as he's shooting FT right now it would be an automatic turnover.
It's a nightmare scenario that I've heard described when that '76 team lost to Indiana. We had a player or two that were less than 50% on free throws and it cost us. But if Clowney and Pringle are fouled out and we have to play Bediako just to have a rim protector then we're going to have to be creative in how we hide him. Have him in bound or tell him to literally run past the end line on the other end and hang out until someone else gets fouled. It might mean we're 4 on 5 but at least it won't be an easy turnover.
That is exactly what Houston did to Broome and that was why Houston was able to come back and win the game. Broome went 6-16 from the Foul Line and I don't know how many were One and Ones. Auburn missed 17 Free Throws and Houston had a plus five in scoring from the foul line. Of Course you are not going to win many games when you shoot 4-20 in the second half and 1o of those shots were at the rim, while missing 14 free throws in the second half. Houston was fouling Auburn everytime the Barn was down the Court.
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