Kinda strange how he never takes responsibility after games in press conference. It’s always maybe “they”will figure it out. Could be part of problem
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It’s never his fault. He’s a genius, an analytical guru. Don’t believe it? Just ask him.
I was just hoping Oats would think more like me. He's good but still got some learning to do catch up with most of us on this board.
To be fair, we've been coaching for Bama for years while Oats is still getting started.
q and jd looked lost most of the time, shack decides he is going to shoot when he hits half court. ellis turns down good shots for worst shots. gary is a hustler but can`t shoot. as said before the burnett injury killed us. i in it for the long run so maybe we will get it figured out.
I really like oats and what he has already done for our program and the direction and energy around the program. I have said before I hope he isn’t too hard headed to understand he needs to evolve in what he does just like every great coach has had to do
I think our roster had a lot of holes in it this year for his system but he needs to be able to make it work based on his guys and not just continue doing the same thing
I’m also a bit concerned at the fact so many of our common mistakes seem like very coachable things and they never improve
Also disappointed in JDs development thus far. Someone has to show the kid how to be aggressive. I don’t think he knows how to attack in our offense
I think our roster had a lot of holes in it this year for his system but he needs to be able to make it work based on his guys and not just continue doing the same thing
I’m also a bit concerned at the fact so many of our common mistakes seem like very coachable things and they never improve
Also disappointed in JDs development thus far. Someone has to show the kid how to be aggressive. I don’t think he knows how to attack in our offense
I agree to an extent but what would you have him do?
If this team would be taught or held accountable to box out and get rebounds, pass the ball to a team player not the opponent, at the very least fall down on the floor and not let opposing teams continually drive to the basket for non contested baskets and go watch a film or something about proper defensive techniques, we would have beaten the last three teams we lost to. But, one cannot teach one to be physical if it is not in their DNA and as I see things right now, there is not one NBA caliber player on this team unless they are taken and transformed as a project. Coaching staff gets a BIG FAT "F" and Oats little arrogant self better start learning how to recruit Physical players and not just Finess Pussies.
Two quick fixes are:
1). Teach them to box out when rebounding. Find your man and box him out before looking for the ball. Other teams do it to us.
2). When an opposing player is zooming downcourt towards the basket, stop the ball! Don't let the guy have a clear path to the basket. It looks like a re-parting of the "Red Sea."
*bonus: Attack the basket for offensive rebounds instead of just standing there or turning and hauling azz downcourt. Other teams do it to us.
Agreed. Totally agree with recruiting "big" physical players. We have players with height, but no toughness or body mass. Bediako is backed down so much until it looks like he's doing the "Moonwalk!"
Oh I’m definitely not one to answer that one lol. Just feels like we need to be able to adapt when we can’t shoot and guarding the ball is a consistent issue. Has to be adjustments to help combat those weaknesses. Frankly if you can’t do those things losses are going to happen
the problem with oats isn’t one that can’t be overcome as evidenced by last year, but it’s a product of the system he runs. he wants everyone to be a shooter 1-5 and wants 3s and 2’s within the restricted area. the system has already attracted guards as he has had several 5* either transfer to or commit out of hs to him.
the deficiency is that, while his system is very attractive for skill players both at guard and on the wing, it isn’t so for the old school bigs. he isn’t going to get the sanogos, vitals or the kesslers of the world unless he changes his system. jabari smith is the kind of guy he wants, but smith isn’t very physical either and would still leave you with the same problem.
last year’s team was perfect for what he wants to run and had a unicorn defender in 6’7”+ herb jones and 6’6” john petty. those guys don’t grow on trees either. you can go get an elite offensive guard anywhere, but the davion mitchell lockdown defender types at that height are rare. even more so the taller guys.
while bama and au have good programs at the moment, the elite bigs are always still going to go to duke, kansas, unc, kentucky. one may fall into either program’s lap on occasion, but neither program will recruit elite bigs consistently successfully. those are reserved for the top programs, and with nil it’s going to get much worse.
the deficiency is that, while his system is very attractive for skill players both at guard and on the wing, it isn’t so for the old school bigs. he isn’t going to get the sanogos, vitals or the kesslers of the world unless he changes his system. jabari smith is the kind of guy he wants, but smith isn’t very physical either and would still leave you with the same problem.
last year’s team was perfect for what he wants to run and had a unicorn defender in 6’7”+ herb jones and 6’6” john petty. those guys don’t grow on trees either. you can go get an elite offensive guard anywhere, but the davion mitchell lockdown defender types at that height are rare. even more so the taller guys.
while bama and au have good programs at the moment, the elite bigs are always still going to go to duke, kansas, unc, kentucky. one may fall into either program’s lap on occasion, but neither program will recruit elite bigs consistently successfully. those are reserved for the top programs, and with nil it’s going to get much worse.
There's a lot wrong with this team right now. Nobody here is actually giving this team any credit for playing at this level of shit and still almost winning every game.
Quinerly- ball hog, can't hit a 3, becoming scared to shoot a 3, and trying to force everything to the rim while being covered better because he's currently a one trick pony.
Shack- selfish...throws up more junk shots in a 1 game than some people shoot in lifetime and he is really good at missing any critical shot.
Ellis- can't do too much while playing with the 2 hogs above.
Gurley, Gary, and I'll throw in Rojas have been fouling like a freight train. Anything we have to say good about what they can contribute is negated by the fact you can't predict if they'll play more than 5 minutes.
Bediako- Everytime I think he's starting to step up, Oats takes him out. Bediako is much better playing with JD at point.
I personally think JD struggles to play with Shack and Quinerly.
Quinerly- ball hog, can't hit a 3, becoming scared to shoot a 3, and trying to force everything to the rim while being covered better because he's currently a one trick pony.
Shack- selfish...throws up more junk shots in a 1 game than some people shoot in lifetime and he is really good at missing any critical shot.
Ellis- can't do too much while playing with the 2 hogs above.
Gurley, Gary, and I'll throw in Rojas have been fouling like a freight train. Anything we have to say good about what they can contribute is negated by the fact you can't predict if they'll play more than 5 minutes.
Bediako- Everytime I think he's starting to step up, Oats takes him out. Bediako is much better playing with JD at point.
I personally think JD struggles to play with Shack and Quinerly.
Gotta have a 4 that can shoot. Definitely don’t have that this year. If primo and Burnett were on this team it would be drastically different. Both 6’5” and would be 2 best shooters and defenders on the team.
that said this team has been abysmal shooting over the last 7-8 games. If they could just get back to decent they could get hot. Despite all the deficiencies if they would shoot better these games would be drastically different. It’s not like they are getting blown out
To add to that BS above... split the team into 2 teams like we did last year.
Team team
*JD
*Ellis
Miles
Gary
*Bediako
Team Hog
*Quinerly
*Shackleford
Holt
*Gurley
Rojas
Kinda like that with a rotation of the non *
Team team
*JD
*Ellis
Miles
Gary
*Bediako
Team Hog
*Quinerly
*Shackleford
Holt
*Gurley
Rojas
Kinda like that with a rotation of the non *
I cannot believe that I am saying this but Rojas needs to be on the court as much as possible and if this ship gets righted it will be in no small part due to his experience and toughness. Not going to say Rojas is a great long range shooter but there is absolutely no reason to guard Gary or Bediako outside of the lane. If they kill you from 3 then you live with it but you make sure the guards can't penetrate.
Rojas came in and busted his ass and Bediako reacted by playing harder, then Oats took him out and put Rojas back in and he appeared to me near death at the end of the game because he's probably out of shape..
No big deal but couldn't believe Oats didn't swap Gary in for the end because Rojas was tired and Gary would've been better at a tip in but like mentioned earlier, oats isn't as good as us yet.
When I split those 2 lineups my thinking was jq and Shackleford aren't going to let a 3rd guy shoot anyway so have Rojas and Gurley rebound and play D.
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How can he adapt more when we are in shooting slump? We already drive to the basket for higher percentage baskets or fouls more than I think we should be doing. We are passing up open treys because it seems our confidence is shook. On defense, we just aren't playing on the ball defense and we aren't playing the passing lanes like we should. Zones are a thing of the past unless we have a team that isn't doing well from the perimeter.
Would Bama be better off recruiting mid major like bigs that are just tall shooters and take 2 years of development? Like the 5 for Davidson would do wonders for our offense but would it be too much of a liability defensively in the SEC going against far better athletes? From a recruiting stand point it seems like oats has gone after best players he can get and not necessarily cherry picked fits for his system
Couldn’t disagree more on Q. The opposite of a ball hog. First true pg we’ve had in a while and quite literally the only player on our team capable of distributing the ball with any effectiveness. Problem is our bigs typically miss when he drops the dime.
Lose some games and we start turning against coach. You guys are just hilarious. Haha
As usual HOUNDZTOOTH1 hit the nail on the head in his first sentence. Like many of you guys I watch tons of college basketball and the one thing that most of the good teams do is box out. I have noticed one guy that consistently boxes out for us, but the problem is is that Ambrose-Hylton does not play enough. No excuse in MSU getting SIX shots on one possession.
ROLL TIDE!!!!
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A lot of hate in this thread. What happens when we go on a run and start winning again? Oats is great coach and I think he will figure it out. We aren't going to win all the road games we did last year. The crowds make a difference. We don't have the best defender in basketball anymore or Petty who was an incredible defender. I don't think anyone will be beat AU in the conference.
We do have shooters that will continue to shoot. We do have one elite defender in Ellis and Gary isn't bad either. I think the ship gets turned around tonight, and I think we kick the sh!t out LSU. I will be there.
We do have shooters that will continue to shoot. We do have one elite defender in Ellis and Gary isn't bad either. I think the ship gets turned around tonight, and I think we kick the sh!t out LSU. I will be there.
I hope you're right about tonight, but LSU is arguably the top defensive team in the country. There are a whole bunch of teams that I would much rather be trying to come out of a funk against.
Coach his players and not a system. Great coaches can adjust to the strength of their team. They are not an efficient 3pt shooting team; to continue to throw them up unsuccessfully is an example of Oats being stubborn.
Offense built around tempo and shooting 3s tough when you can’t shoot 3s. Defense much better tonight. Bigs are soft and apparently can’t dunk under the rim. JQ will have to come off the bench and carry this crew. Plenty of talent. Very careless with the ball. My guess is a 6-8 seed and one win in the tourney unless someone really steps up. Right now AU and Kentucky in different leagues. Not saying we can’t beat them, but can’t shoot 7-35 from 3 land.
Yeah, at this point we are who we are, and that's not a good 3 point shooting team. We're ranked 265th in 3pt FG%. I'd like to see us quit chucking up 30 of those per game, instead drive to the basket and have perimeter guys crash the boards rather than wait for the kickout.
You're being generous. We're actually 297th in 3 point FG %.
