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Player Analysis Through 6 Games

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Biggest Surprise: Juwan Gary. I wasn't expecting much at all from him, and I know last night was the first time he logged meaningful minutes. However, it's clear that Oats believes he should be heavily involved in the rotation after seeing him in practice. He gives us that muscle inside we desperately need.

Biggest Disappointment: Keon Ellis. He's a serviceable player and an above average defender. However, based on highlights and how highly competitive his recruitment was, I really expected him to bring some dynamite as a scorer. He has a great outside shot and is a phenomenal athlete. Unfortunately, he's very passive and he has some serious issues handling the basketball and making good decisions. Game seems too fast for him on offense.

Most Potential: Josh Primo. Kid is a straight up basketball player. Perfect body for a wing. Has a good looking shot and finishes very well at the basket. Needs to get more minutes as the season goes on.

Other notes:

Quinerly: Unbelievably skilled as a ball handler and has a good outside shot. Unfortunately, he cannot defend and I don't see that changing. Most of the time on defense he seems to be giving 100% but just doesnt have the footwork and technique to keep his man in front of him. Whatever he gives on offense, he gives right back on the other end of the floor.

Shack: Needs to play within himself and stop driving to the basket. He got bailed out on two phantom calls last night where he drove without purpose and threw the ball up and flailed. Most of the time he will not get those calls. Even the basket he made late on the drive, I'm convinced he didn't know where the basket was... just threw it up. I like him, but he needs to be Charvez Davis 2.0. Catch and shoot. Also, he's lost on defense. Gives up way too many back door cuts for easy layups and it's killing us.

Bruner: Disappearing Big Man. He's not a bad player and we've seen he's an elite passer on the interior. Unfortunately, you kinda forget he's in the game most of the time. Had a decent performance last night. Hoping that can continue. A guy with his size and skill should be able to rebound much better than he has so far.

Herb: Stud. He's going to miss layups at the rim... I've come to grips with it. He gives us way more positives than anyone else on the team and we just have to live with the missed bunnies.

Rojas: Like Shack, he needs to play within himself. The guy is a more talented version of Chris Hines if he can just play that game instead of trying to run the break. Get the rebound and pass immediately... crash the boards and play defense, shoot the open 3. That's it. If he does that, he will help the team. If he tries to generate offense on his own, he will continue to hurt us.

Petty: For all the hate he gets, we need him big time. He had a horrible shooting night, but he plays 110% at all times. Great rebounding guard and elite defender. It's also nice to have a guy who has the ability to catch fire from deep and carry a team. I want him playing at least 32-33 minutes every single night.
 
I agree with most of that . I can't give up on Jones at the rim it bothers me . i wish he would watch video of Mule King . Not the same body type obviously. I hope all these learn their role. That seems to be a chemistry problem . If they figure this out and hit shots we can win. The FT 's will drop . They are much better than they showed last night. Intensity as already said goes a long way in winning. RTR
 
I agree with most of that . I can't give up on Jones at the rim it bothers me . i wish he would watch video of Mule King . Not the same body type obviously. I hope all these learn their role. That seems to be a chemistry problem . If they figure this out and hit shots we can win. The FT 's will drop . They are much better than they showed last night. Intensity as already said goes a long way in winning. RTR
never thought we could win a game with the way q, petty, and shack played last night. rojas and gary really are going to help this team on nights the 3 is not falling.
 
Through six games this team is hard to figure out. #1. This team plays hard as he'll on the defensive end even though some guys tend to get out of position sometime. #2 Rojas, he's the hardest player to figure out. I hated his game until last night. If we can ever get any consistency out of our players on the offensive end we'll be fine. #3 Bruner, nowhere near as good as advertised. He's a serviceable big man in CNO system though. #4 Quinerly, some nights he's the best player on the floor, but hurts us on the defensive end and it really showed up last night and he ended up sitting down the stretch. #5 John Petty Jr. Plays his tale off when he's on the floor. Nights when his shot is not falling you can bet he's going to rebound and play defense. JP is trying to let the game come to him not trying to force things like #6 Shaq, I'm still trying to figure him out after a year and a half. I'm starting to think he should be more of a catch and shoot guy, plays hard just never going to be a great defender.. #7 Herb Jones the undisputed MVP. He's even showing some offensive game to everything else he's giving us. #8 Alex Reese pleasantly surprised by him this year. He's giving us what we thought from him an occasional three but on the plus side he's playing better defense and not turning the ball over as much.
 
Through six games this team is hard to figure out. #1. This team plays hard as he'll on the defensive end even though some guys tend to get out of position sometime. #2 Rojas, he's the hardest player to figure out. I hated his game until last night. If we can ever get any consistency out of our players on the offensive end we'll be fine. #3 Bruner, nowhere near as good as advertised. He's a serviceable big man in CNO system though. #4 Quinerly, some nights he's the best player on the floor, but hurts us on the defensive end and it really showed up last night and he ended up sitting down the stretch. #5 John Petty Jr. Plays his tale off when he's on the floor. Nights when his shot is not falling you can bet he's going to rebound and play defense. JP is trying to let the game come to him not trying to force things like #6 Shaq, I'm still trying to figure him out after a year and a half. I'm starting to think he should be more of a catch and shoot guy, plays hard just never going to be a great defender.. #7 Herb Jones the undisputed MVP. He's even showing some offensive game to everything else he's giving us. #8 Alex Reese pleasantly surprised by him this year. He's giving us what we thought from him an occasional three but on the plus side he's playing better defense and not turning the ball over as much.

From an offensive standpoint, Shack is really missing Kira. We don't have a good distributor of the ball, or someone that can really draw the help and dish it off like Kira could.

Overall, Shack's minutes need to be reduced until he decides he wants to play defense.
 
Team chemistry on offense is not there and Shack is very disruptive with his selfish play. He also missed 4 straight FTs that could have iced the game. I agree with a majority of posters, Gary need more PT...PERIOD!
 
Team chemistry on offense is not there and Shack is very disruptive with his selfish play. He also missed 4 straight FTs that could have iced the game. I agree with a majority of posters, Gary need more PT...PERIOD!

I don't mind Shack being selfish, so long as it is with his jump shot. He is absolutely atrocious driving to the basket and right now a complete liability on defense. If he's not stroking it hot from 3 point line, than he really has no business being on the floor.
 
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I don't mind Shack being selfish, so long as it is with his jump shot. He is absolutely atrocious driving to the basket and right now a complete liability on defense. If he's not stroking it hot from 3 point line, than he really has no business being on the floor.

I think his teammates, Bruner and Petty specifically were pretty pissed at him late in the game when he decided to keep the ball so he could shoot FTs near the end of the game, instead of passing it up floor to a wide open Bruner for an easy 2.

Oats said something in his presser about that and it probably impacting the last 4 FTs he shot.
 
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I think his teammates, Bruner and Petty specifically were pretty pissed at him late in the game when he decided to keep the ball so he could shoot FTs near the end of the game, instead of passing it up floor to a wide open Bruner for an easy 2.

Oats said something in his presser about that and it probably impacting the last 4 FTs he shot.
Petty was visibly upset at the late travel Shack committed as well. He threw his towel down on the bench and yelled at him when they were coming off the floor for the media timeout. It's understandable.
 
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I'm going to stick my neck out for Bruner a little bit. He had 9 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 blocks last night. I would like to see more rebounds from him but if you look at him versus Galin which do you like better? He is not flashy and he is not a star in the making but he can shoot the 3 and had a couple tip ins after some missed layups last night. Rebound numbers need to come up. At the very least he is an upgrade. I also think some of the new guys are trying to find their role on this team.
 
I'm going to stick my neck out for Bruner a little bit. He had 9 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 blocks last night. I would like to see more rebounds from him but if you look at him versus Galin which do you like better? He is not flashy and he is not a star in the making but he can shoot the 3 and had a couple tip ins after some missed layups last night. Rebound numbers need to come up. At the very least he is an upgrade. I also think some of the new guys are trying to find their role on this team.
Yep. He played well last night for sure. Hope it continues.
 
I really like how Gary is put together. He has that toughness we have been missing. I thought Bruner had a good game. He is not a blocking machine, but he is at least a presence. We haven’t had that since Donta. I am not giving up on Shack yet. There were times where he was incredible last year. Let’s hope those come again.
 
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I really like how Gary is put together. He has that toughness we have been missing. I thought Bruner had a good game. He is not blocking machine, but he is at least a presence. We haven’t had that since Donta. I am not giving up on Shack yet. There were times where he was incredible Last year. Let’s hope those come again.
Totally agree. I’m def not giving up on Shack at all. I think he can be great if he plays to his skill set. He’s just not a driver and finisher at the basket. Needs to let the game come to him and make way better decisions with the ball.
 
Good post Lou. Gary and Rojas gave us the toughness that we need so bad. Herb can't be the only 'go to' guy. Shack and Q need to quit forcing their shots.
We have a long way to go, they need to gel quickly.
 
My biggest disappointment is Bruner. I thought he was way more athletic than he is. He is literally Jimmie Taylor with a BIT of a shot.

Keon Ellis has been disappointing on offense but busts ass ok defense.

Rojas - hopefully he is getting more comfortable since his injury. We need his injury.

Shack & Petty - Need to figure their shit out on offense. Shack has been extremely frustrating to watch this year so far.
 
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My biggest disappointment is Bruner. I thought he was way more athletic than he is. He is literally Jimmie Taylor with a BIT of a shot.

Keon Ellis has been disappointing on offense but busts ass ok defense.

Rojas - hopefully he is getting more comfortable since his injury. We need his injury.

Shack & Petty - Need to figure their shit out on offense. Shack has been extremely frustrating to watch this year so far.
I never expected much out of Bruner. I’ve said from the beginning we should not have pushed out a couple guys to make room for Bruner, a one year player, who is not particularly impressive.
 
I never expected much out of Bruner. I’ve said from the beginning we should not have pushed out a couple guys to make room for Bruner, a one year player, who is not particularly impressive.
You and I have been on the same page about Bruner all along. Maybe he will rise to the challenge but there was nothing in his previous stint that led me to believe he would be some great shakes in the SEC.
 
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I never expected much out of Bruner. I’ve said from the beginning we should not have pushed out a couple guys to make room for Bruner, a one year player, who is not particularly impressive.

True but pushing out Galin Smith isn't the worst thing that could've happened. I've watched some of the Maryland games and he is not good.

Javian Davis looks good over at Miss. State.
 
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I never expected much out of Bruner. I’ve said from the beginning we should not have pushed out a couple guys to make room for Bruner, a one year player, who is not particularly impressive.
you and i saw eye to eye on that one/ davis fleming and forbes fo 3 years to develp, wotth much more than brunrt for one year and ellis for two
 
Bruner spreads the floor and keeps defense honest with his shot. It hasn’t fallen as much as I’d like but you still have to respect it. On defense he is a good enough inside presence and blocks shots from the weak side. Davis could do none of those things.
 
you and i saw eye to eye on that one/ davis fleming and forbes fo 3 years to develp, wotth much more than brunrt for one year and ellis for two
I will say although I didn’t want to lose Forbes, I really thought Ellis was going to be a stud. So far I was way off.
 
Jaylen Forbes is looking good for Tulane. I feel like players who transfer out of Alabama always go on a tear but when we have someone transfer in they fold lol
 
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Jaylen Forbes is looking good for Tulane. I feel like players who transfer out of Alabama always go on a tear but when we have someone transfer in they fold lol
I don’t know if you remember Justin Knox. He was a kid from Tuscaloosa that left us to go to Carolina. He was a stud.
 
My biggest disappointment is Bruner. I thought he was way more athletic than he is. He is literally Jimmie Taylor with a BIT of a shot.

Keon Ellis has been disappointing on offense but busts ass ok defense.

Rojas - hopefully he is getting more comfortable since his injury. We need his injury.

Shack & Petty - Need to figure their shit out on offense. Shack has been extremely frustrating to watch this year so far.
I don't like watching Bruner run. I mentioned one day that he just reminds me so much of Jimmie Taylor the way he runs. It looks hard and like it hurts him.
 
Agreed. I’m specifically talking about Davis and Forbes.
For sure. I liked Forbes. He always found the ball. Played hard on defense. Offensive rebounded. And he was always so close from three. I always thought he would make a couple in a row and the dam would break. I hated to see him go.
 
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