Yeah… just not true at all. They just held the team that ripped Kansas apart to 66 and outrebounded them. Problem is we’re the worst shooting team in history right now.
Baseball ⚾️ Game Thread: Alabama vs. Kentucky
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IMO this has been Oats hardest coaching job he's ever had.
We can hope he learns a lot from this season and this team. Basically everyone we have to depend on for scoring is a head case and they're all prone to just flat vanishing in a game. His key 5* recruit can't dribble in traffic and can't shoot unless he has no time to think about it. His big transfer hasn't been the 5 out type forward/center he needed. His guard transfer never got to play. Basically nothing is the way it needed to be.
We can hope he learns a lot from this season and this team. Basically everyone we have to depend on for scoring is a head case and they're all prone to just flat vanishing in a game. His key 5* recruit can't dribble in traffic and can't shoot unless he has no time to think about it. His big transfer hasn't been the 5 out type forward/center he needed. His guard transfer never got to play. Basically nothing is the way it needed to be.
I can’t fathom how Gurley was a 43 percent three point shooter two years ago
If you look at this team and think they are giving it their all then I applaud you for your positivity.
Effort includes not making stupid turnovers and hitting your shots. Fail.
The real test now is what is next for this team? The schedule doesn't get dramatically easier but it does get much more manageable. Will we go back to playing down to mediocre teams or will we figure out that we need max focus every night?
This team is at the season tipping point. We're 4-6 with 8 games to go. We just finished the most brutal stretch we've maybe ever had in regular season play. We're beat up and in the bottom third of the conference standings. If we finish strong we'll ride into the tournament with a middle tier seed. But we can easily tank the season from here on and find a way to be the first team to beat multiple final 4 caliber teams and not make the tournament.
How we play the next 8 games sets the table for the program. Gotta finish strong.
This team is at the season tipping point. We're 4-6 with 8 games to go. We just finished the most brutal stretch we've maybe ever had in regular season play. We're beat up and in the bottom third of the conference standings. If we finish strong we'll ride into the tournament with a middle tier seed. But we can easily tank the season from here on and find a way to be the first team to beat multiple final 4 caliber teams and not make the tournament.
How we play the next 8 games sets the table for the program. Gotta finish strong.
He has two players right now who are plus 40 percent three point shooters who inexplicably are both at 20 percent or worse (Gurley and Quinerly). He also has Burnett on the bench. He recruited primo who I expectedly went one and done. Most years in the last 30 we would dream of having a virtual tournament lock with 6-7 games left in the season
Effort is the easy excuse for a loss. If we had given the exact same effort tonight and shot 35% from three everyone here would be applauding how hard they played and how locked in they were defensively and on the boards. Teams who don’t care don’t outrebound kentucky
That's not close to being about effort. Do you think they were not trying to hit their shots? You think they were trying to turn it over?
Playing defense and rebounding ARE about effort; shooting is not...
I thought we rebounded and played hard enough on D to win. Here’s my concerns:
** Team built around firing up 3s can’t shoot 3s
** coach doesn’t make adjustments
** Can’t inbound the ball for at least 4.99999 seconds every time
** Offense watches one guy dribble around for most of the shot clock a lot of the time.
** bench productivity is usually miserable unless JQ comes off bench.
** very little inside presence for rebounding on both ends (tonight was better esp Bediako)
** if our guards aren’t hot team doesn’t know what to do and it shows.
Positive side: I have 7 beers left.
** Team built around firing up 3s can’t shoot 3s
** coach doesn’t make adjustments
** Can’t inbound the ball for at least 4.99999 seconds every time
** Offense watches one guy dribble around for most of the shot clock a lot of the time.
** bench productivity is usually miserable unless JQ comes off bench.
** very little inside presence for rebounding on both ends (tonight was better esp Bediako)
** if our guards aren’t hot team doesn’t know what to do and it shows.
Positive side: I have 7 beers left.
Just a genuine smart ass. Of the highest order. You started this crap as you usually do. By the way/ how did your wife like it?
Is it not also possible that Kentucky didn’t shoot very well either and that our defense wasn’t as effective as you say? Too many absolutely headscratching careless turnovers to think this team is just lost. Maybe they are collectively just the most mentally soft team and that’s the answer idk
Effort includes doing what it takes to make certain you take the best possible shots and make the best possible passes. Your excusing this team's incompetence serves neither them nor the fans.
I thought our effort was good for most of the game. Around 7 minutes to go in the second half you could sense an overall deflation. The effect of never seeing the ball go in the hoop just finally crushed us. Again, Oats was waiting on the next play stoppage to give us a timeout but I thought he really should have called a timeout with around 9 minutes left in the game. Then again a minute or so after the under 8. I thought the team needed reminding that they were still in the game if they do what they know they can do. That under 8 didn't happen until almost 6 minutes left in the game. We needed a break. Call the friggin timeout!
35% from 3 point gets us like 21 to 24 more points. We were that bad. That would have been 10 or 11 shots made vs the 3 we made. Would've made a monster difference in the game and the energy in the gym. If we just have Shack and JQ see ONE three point shot go down early in the game then this entire game plays out different.
Just not a good night for us. And for all the talk about not jacking up so many three point shots... well, we don't have a team capable of playing halfcourt post up against that UK team. No chance. Oats knew it. Probably told the team to shoot every open 3 you see.
The last statement is very true.. when they make a mistake I don’t see remorse or the will to not do it again or the care to get better
We will most of those games. I think we turned the corner tonight. One of the best games we've played recently.
Did not even watch first half on purpose/ then made mistake of turning it on for 2nd half. Deep regrets.
They are playing hard. That’s the excuse people use when they don’t know the real issue or they don’t want to take the blame, like Oats.
Always hated the effort excuse. Heard so many high school coaches blame kids for their effort, when in fact, the kids had no clue what to do. When the players don’t know what to do, it’ll always look like they aren’t playing hard. Or when the players are playing in a system that doesn’t fit their skills, it’ll look like they aren’t playing hard.
Yes it was .. make 25% of your 3 point attempts
Kentucky is good on defense.. a solid offensive team but beatable
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What team do you watch in NCAA basketball that has more dunks on them in a half court offense-than Alabama does ?
Good teams expose our help defense time in time again beating the first offender it to the lane 🍔Good teams expose our help defense time in time again beating the first defender into the lane drawing and other defender to help in lobbing over that defender for an easy dunk
Thank goodness softball season starts Friday. It’ll be refreshing to watch a disciplined , well coached team for a change.
That will be a huge error on their part. Herb Jones came from a similar size school. He brought work ethic and an attitude with him and had the good sense to stay in college and develop his game. The best thing for this team may be for JD to go now into the NBA as I have seen little development this season.
I’ve never heard anyone at this level constantly publicly blame the players like Oats has this season. Even if it is effort, you don’t constantly throw them under the bus for the world to see. That gets old and they’ll quit believing in you and playing for you.
That's a matter of skill and/or coaching. They had open shots; they are just not a good shooting team from outside. That's where coaching comes in.
I have never met a basketball player that isn't trying to score; it's what most of them want to do. It takes effort to play defense and rebound.
I am just going to assume you can't dunk a basketball; if I'm wrong, I hope you can still get the point. If I ran an offense where I wanted you to dunk, not layups, but bunk it every other play and you don't have the skills to do it, thats not a lack of effort on your part.
Even if I drew up perfect plays to get you those dunks, of you're not capable of dunking, that's on me as a coach for keep drawing up plays for you to dunk it. Hell even if you're able to dunk it successfully 1 out of 5 times it wouldn't be smart of me to ask you to try and dunk 30 times a game...
Problem here is these are good shooters. Not Oats’ fault they all of the sudden cant
You can't say they are good shooters when they don't hit shots. It is his fault that he can't recognize that that are struggling to shoot the 3 in games. It's his fault that he hasn't come up with a plan B to fixing this offense...
What plan B would you propose? This team ain’t running a Princeton offense. They’re not running a low post back to the basket… the current system gives this team the best chance to win. No… it’s not the coaches’ fault that 40 percent three point shooters are not shooting well.
Be a freaking basketball coach that understands more than just a system you learned under someone else. You don't think Nick Saban adjust his schemes based on personnel on his team? What they are good at and what they are not? Nate Oats, who is a nobody in the world of basketball compared to Coach K, had the nerve to try and call him out last year. This team is a top 10 team under Coach K. Not because Coach K has some system he is married to no matter what, but because he knows how to coach BASKETBALL not some 3 point shooting contest...
BTW, his whole job is to give his team the best chance to win. So make adjustments based off what this team CAN do...
You would’ve run off coach K before his first winning season. He was absolutely terrible for 6 years at Duke. This dude just won us two conference championships less than a year ago. Unbelievable. Also, coach K didn’t go to the tournament last year. Why didn’t he coach his players correctly?
MOTION. Get players moving off the ball. JQ would be a lot more effective if the other 4 players weren’t standing still and he didn’t have all 10 eyes on him ready to help. Our offense is about like a zone offense in terms of spacing and movement. But we count on somebody to beat their defender 1 on 1 and score at the rim or draw the defense for an open 3. We can’t hit the open 3, so the help is just standing there saying you aren’t shooting at the rim, shoot the 3. So there’s no where to consistently drive it. So motion, get the help moving where they aren’t standing in the same place every possession making life easy on them. We are shooting somewhere around 312th in the nation from 3. I thought Oats was big on analytics and such?
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Imo, this was truly a game we played pretty good in but just missed too many shots. We had some bad turnovers but Kentucky played some good defense.
I usually don't think this...we usually miss a lot of terrible shots.
We shot terrible and only lost by 11, while 3 guys who should've scored 50 scored 19.
Rojas and Bediako scored 20.
Who would've ever thought Rojas, Bediako, Gary and Gurley would play 73 minutes while Quinerly, Shackleford, Ellis, and Davison played 119 and outscored them 29-26 and outside of Bediako, none played all that good.
I usually don't think this...we usually miss a lot of terrible shots.
We shot terrible and only lost by 11, while 3 guys who should've scored 50 scored 19.
Rojas and Bediako scored 20.
Who would've ever thought Rojas, Bediako, Gary and Gurley would play 73 minutes while Quinerly, Shackleford, Ellis, and Davison played 119 and outscored them 29-26 and outside of Bediako, none played all that good.
Oats does need to work on his philosophy a little. I'm not a fan 9-20 foot shots but there's nothing wrong with 4-8 foot running floaters.
I don't get why we feel everything has to go all the way to the basket.
And with how many players we rotate, we should press and trap for at least 15 minutes a game.
I don't get why we feel everything has to go all the way to the basket.
And with how many players we rotate, we should press and trap for at least 15 minutes a game.
Never said i would run oats off, I've always stated you need to give a coach 5 years. My concern is that Oats shit the bed his first year by not wanting to adapt his system to better fit his players, he had one good year, and now back to shitting the bed for not wanting to adapt his system to fit his players.
I am willing to give him his 5 years to show he can grow as a coach. My concern is his arrogance, the same arrogance that made him think it was a good idea to call out a coach who shits on him in understanding how a lead a team, will be his own undoing. That and the fact that it is NEVER his fault after a loss. Those are signs of someone who thinks they have it all figured out and clearly he does not...
