No, it's 100% dumb to think that taking it to I've basket over and over against a very good shot blocker is a better shot than stopping and taking a WIDE OPEN 15-foot shot. Or shooting a contested 3 is a better shot than a WIDE OPEN 15-foot shot.
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How much of UCONN have you actually watched? Two things comes to mind for me as I have watched a number of their games this year.
One, right now they are red hot. They went through a stretch this year where they barely looked like a top-25 team because the rely on the 3 so much.
Secondly, their offense looks lot different to me. They don't just run a bunch of high pick-and-roll with 3 other guys just standing around waiting to throw up 3s. They have a lot more motion, cutting, and screening.
I’ve watched a ton of UConn. It does seem like they run more action offensively than we do, but shot selection is the same. They had a tough stretch for sure, but they never dropped out of the top 8 in Kenpom. They have been fascinating to keep up with this year.
We lost by 7. Shooting 15% means we would have made one more 3 pointer and still lost. Shooting 20% would have given us 2 more 3 pointers and probably changed our strategy to foul instead of playing defense in the last minute of the game. Who knows how that would have played out?Kind of sad isn't it? All we have to do is hit 15-20% of our threes and we probably win. Just 15-20%. Instead, we shoot 11%.
Our team couldn't shoot so your resolution was to shoot more. My recommendation would have been to not shoot 11% from 3 but ok.
You do know that the 3-pointer is the most difficult jump shot on the court right? It's why shooting 33% from there is considered a good percentage.
So you what to get closer if at all possible but SDSU had players waiting at the rim willing to throw the freaking shot into the 3rd row. So the solution would be to stop and take the, once again, WIDE THE FREAK OPEN, 15-footer that they were giving you.
But for some reason you think Bama had a better chance of making a BLOCKED shot as opposed to an open 15-footer. Please don't ever coach at any level.
I've said this exact same thing to some of my friends. If we could run a style similar to UCONN, we still get the looks that Oats wants, but everyone is active on the floor screening/cutting. There's more of a rhythm to their offense as opposed to spread the floor, drive/kick with 4 guys standing and watching.
Would be awesome to get more of that action. Maybe we will. You have to think Oats is paying attention since we are so similar stylistically. I’ve said this before, but really think surrounding the front-court duo of Chuck and Pringle with capable shooters could lead to very good team next year, and could resemble this years Uconn.
I’ll just add that Nate never said a wide open midrange is a bad shot. He’s actually said he has never told his players to not take an open midrange shot. He’s actually on record saying a wide open mid range is a good shot.
Is his system flawless? No. Has his system produced teams that score 80+ ppg three straight years? Yes. It works, but as is the same with ANY system if you don’t make shots then you’re not going to win. His offense just gives you the most opportunities to make shots. Ask Cal or Barnes how their offensive strategy has worked out for them lately.
Is his system flawless? No. Has his system produced teams that score 80+ ppg three straight years? Yes. It works, but as is the same with ANY system if you don’t make shots then you’re not going to win. His offense just gives you the most opportunities to make shots. Ask Cal or Barnes how their offensive strategy has worked out for them lately.
I have no problem with you disagreeing and I don’t think you are a troll. You have made some good points, but Oats has proved to be one of the top coaches out there. His system works and the team beat several really good teams. I don’t know why he needs to tweak much when he is that successful. If the team makes a few more 3s, we win the game. In 2020, the team makes 2 more free throws and we are probably in the Final Four. He has a winning formula, but I truly believe without the distractions we are playing tonight.
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I think the answer is both could happen ..
I think JQ could have opted for the floater on a few of those drives and/ or looked for a teammate dragging behind him on the three point line.
Oats’ system is fantastic… as has been stated the percentage of shots made from the 3 point line was staggeringly bad ..coupled with BM making some uncharacteristic freshman like turnovers doomed the tide
Id like to see bama ( not just JQ) try to get to rim and get fouled and go to the line at these times..
be less reliant on the three which analytics had to indicate that was not their shot
You mean the coach who led his team to the Elite 8 last year and the year before, and also advanced just as far in the NCAA tournament as we did this season?
Would take Oats any day of the week over midrange muss. We lost two tough games in the sweet 16 2 out of the past 3 years lol. Thin margins.
The exact same amount as your team. I guess some people are happy with that, I would like better especially when you have such a favorable path.
Fact… oats will get us farther .. 2/3 years to Sweet 16 is great .. more is in the tank.
It’s a bama tradition not getting out of the sweet 16.
That will change
I would like better too. And shooting better than 11% would have made that happen. Maybe next year coach Oats should ask the team to shoot better than 11% from 3 in the sweet 16, it really was poor coaching on his part that he forgot to remind them to shoot better.
You are correct, my bad! "Read and React" has more rotating/motion sets. More of a "Dribble and Drive" offense is the best fit.
Or maybe, just maybe, he does what elite coaches (which he is getting paid like) do and that realizes that his team doesn't have it that night from 3 and COACH them to a win.
Charles Barkley said it best right after the game. Alabama came into that game with a Plan A, and when that didn't work they went to their Plan A, when that didn't work they went to their Plan A.
Nate Oats gets paid like a top-10 coach, I expect a top-10 coach to be able to make in-game adjustments. Coach your team to a win, not just a freaking system.
The plan has always been to drive and make a basket or get to the free throw line. I don't understand why you continue to harp on this. The team does what it does and you hate it, so find someone else to cheer for. Maybe you can go root for an elite team like Kansas who didn't make it to the sweet 16. Or Kentucky, they love mid range shots! How'd that work out for them this year? I can't remember, did that mid range loving team crush us this year?
He isn’t saying become a midrange loving team. He’s saying when you can’t make the 3 and their bigs are pounding your shots at the rim, maybe try the midrange. Only makes sense. Nobody is asking Oats to change his whole style. Just a small adjustment to add another element and make it even harder to guard them.
Oats is an elite adjustment maker. Just look at his first/second half adjustments throughout the year.
How many single digit seeds did they have to beat to get there though? How far you go in the tournament doesn’t define a coach for me. Show me during the regular season.
I don't see much second half adjustments. What a saw was a team that was a second-half team, they largely continued to do what they came into the game doing, they just found their shots.
Case in point in the NCG, UCONN runs that same play Alabama and a lot of teams run where a big man had the ball out at the 3pt line and a player comes around and gets the ball from him, largely setting a screen while handing the ball off.
Well SDSU was hugging that player coming to get the ball really hard, making it difficult to take that handoff. UCONN saw this and ran a play where one player came to get the handoff and keep going, another player followed behind as if he was going to do the same thing but instead he cut back to the basket for a wide-open layup. That was a play designed because the coach saw how they were playing them and he adjusted. That's coaching, that's understanding the game and adjusting.
To say Nate Oats is an elite-level adjustment maker is laughable, in 4 years I've seen very little in terms of in-game coaching from him. All my opinion of course but I just don't see it.
He's got a few open positions on his staff, when is your interview?
Probably the same day as yours since you also have an opinion on the coaching and style of play. 🤷🏾♂️
So you acknowledge that maybe your coaching credentials aren't really all that impressive, and that maybe your coaching plan isn't as good as you think it is?
