Yeah I agree. I had them losing tonight to Texas so my expectations were about the same as yours. Not because I find the system to be flawed but because I thought the seniors has just as good of chance at letting the team down as it did carrying them to a final 4. But when you look at all of the teams that where eliminated it definitely gave us reasons to be optimistic.
Awful coaching!!
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Oats even said it after the game. The only way you can speed a team up on offense is to take chances on defense. That’s not who we were as a team. You aren’t the 3rd ranked team in defensive efficiency by taking chances. I agree with coach, it’s hard to speed a team up and stay efficient at the same time. We played the same way we did all season, we just didn’t execute and they did. UCLA made a lot of tough shots tonight and we didn’t. I’m sure there’s a few decisions that Oats would like to have back but that’s sports. We are better than UCLA but they played better tonight. It’s pretty simple.
I know you're hurting people's feelings but I have to agree. Oats did a few rotation moves in the first half that was out of character for him and messed the flow of the game. I told my wife that Oats was choking and then said that was the first time I've ever said a bad thing about that man and this was when we had just gotten up by 5 or more.
I'll tell you why you're right...the majority of our wins this year weren't because we did anything great statistically speaking. The only reason why we did so good this year is because we are great at causing mass chaos and we didn't tonight.
The only reason why I thought we were a great team wasn't because of those few great shooting games it was because this team continued to play chaotic and win while half the team sucked nearly every game....we force teams to play out of control while we even play out of control, we are just better at it. We gave ucla their best chance to win tonight and that's a fact.
It's real simple when you play in your comfort zone, things go well for you and when you don't, you hit 11/25 fts and 7/28 3s... I lived it!
I kinda don't get that. I always thought we sped the game up by playing fast, running up the court and getting a shot off quick while attacking the boards. Then pestering the shit out of the other team and before you know the other team starts running. Didn't always work but it helped us make up for the poor shooting we had at times....Imo, We should've attempted that like we always do and I have no idea why we didn't.
Clemson is the only team that really dominated us with their defense that I can remember but that was early in the season.
One of Coach Bryant’s keys to winning was that he believe in taking emotion out of the game. He believe that emotion could make a team play above its abilities, but could also make his team play below its abilities. I see this in our basketball team. We can go on a 18 point run then give it all back in 2 minutes. Petty made a 30 ft shot then a few minutes latter misses the back board from 22 ft. I believe that is caused by a lack of mental toughness. Emotion controls mental toughness, so I think Coach Bryant was correct.
Pretty awesome season. This loss stings. We didn't play or coach our best game. Still an amazing run. We will miss those seniors for sure despite not having their best game. The big thing here is are we a 1 year wonder or a team that can consistently compete for SEC titles? I sure hope we've turned the corner and started a great run. We went from unwatchable boring basketball to a fun style to watch and a style recruits want to play in. I hate that we went out like that but the season as a whole was far more than I expected. Free throws hurt us but UCLA also made some very tough 3s when it mattered. Still very proud of this team.
It's easy to say that after it didn't work out. Many coaches in that scenario say put the ball in the hands of your best player and Herb's the SEC POY. The game was not lost in the last possession. It was lost way before that. You only have to look at two stats: they shot 80% from the line while we shot 44%, they only turned the ball over 8 times and we had 14.
Oat's subbing has been a puzzlement all season. He will have a good combination on the floor and the next thing you know, they're on the bench and the opponent builds a lead or seriously cut into our lead. Totally agree about letting Herb take the point and the end. JQ had been virtually unstoppable one-on-one and you put the ball in Herb's hand and pray for a miracle (which didn't happen by the way).
Three faults:
1. Turnovers/FT shooting (or lack thereof)
2. Allowing the opponent to establish the pace-of-play
3. Failure to call a TO when the opponent is on a run (see UCLA's timely TOs)
You put pressure on the ball, which forces the offensive player to react. Although rarely called, you have 10 seconds to cross the equator. In-other-words, you don't let the opponent relax or get comfortable. Force the issue without fouling.
Put the ball in your best offensive players hands. If we needed a stop he wouldn’t put JQ on the guy he thought would take the last shot. Herb doesn’t need the ball in his hands at that point. Add to that, Herb is our best offensive rebounder. Let him do that.
Why not MJ if we are choosing people that weren’t on the team?
I don't disagree with you one bit. If it were me I'd would have put the ball in JQ's hand and let him create a shot or kick out, but my coaching career peaked while coaching 10u ball.
Look there's a lot to knit pick with last nights coaching, execution, etc., but bottom line is you're not going to win a sweet sixteen game shooting 44% from the line and losing the turnover battle by a nearly 2 to 1 margin.
If Herb makes 2 of 4 FT’s at the end, we would have won. So it’s possible to win like that.
If I had to pay a penalty for making a ridiculous statement I would be
I agree. How many times has Saban said poor execution, or we didn’t get off the field on third down. Everyone just agrees when Saban makes these statements. The same considerations should be made for Oats since he doesn’t shoot free throws. We basically cooled down during the week, and the other team didn’t.
If if's and buts were cherries and nuts we'd all have a merry Xmas. Had he made 2 of those FT's we'd have shot 52% from the line not 44%. Again, my point you can't shoot 44% and expect to win against a Sweet 16 caliber team.
If I remember correctly your exact quote from December was "John Petty should learn how to fix hair and CNO's should kiss his lucky stars that he has gone from a HS coach to a contract beyond his abilities. I have said it all along if you were going to hire a high school level coach we would have been just as well off to hire Bucky." Then you followed that gem up with "Unless this dramatically changes JD will choose a route to the NBA other than a stop in Tuscaloosa." I think you should leave the commentating on Alabama basketball to other people.
I have never been more optimistic about the direction of our basketball program. Alabama basketball is relevant. I've enjoyed watching both the team and Coach Oats throughout this entire season. He's a keeper . . .
Or expect to win a Sweet 16 game when you let your maybe 5th best offensive player have the ball at the end of the game. We’ve won games shooting the ball bad. You gotta make them when they count. And cherries and Nuts wouldn’t make me have a Merry Christmas.
I don't disagree with you. I just think it came down to way more than who had the ball at the end of the game. If Herb hits those free throws and we win, hardly anyone would be bitching about Oat's decision.
It's likely going for it on 4th down in football. If you make it, everyone's like what a genius the coach is, but if you turn it over on downs he's a f'in moron.
I get what you’re saying. If we lose that game with the ball in JQ’s hands at the end, I’d feel a little better. If a Herb would have made the free throws, I’d say the same thing about the ball being in his hands. I’ve said it all year. I said JQ needed to be running the show when he was struggling mightily. In March, you have to have a guy to give the ball that can finish it get somebody else open and JQ is our guy.
You make a good point on your Chaos comment in the other post. I think the difference was usually it's only Herb that is in foul trouble. Once Ellis got 2 fouls, the defense intensity changed. He was the second best defender and he could usually lock down the guy Herb would guard. With both of them out, Bama wilted at the end of the first half. They played much more tentatively the rest of the game, but still played good defense.
I’m not sure Ellis is the next best defender. Petty just doesn’t get credit. He guards. And both of them weren’t out at the end of the half. Herb came back in with a lead and they went on a run.
We missed a ton of FTs, the 3-point shots weren’t falling, and UCLA hit a handful of fluky 3s- and their FTs.
I have been trying to remember who made the high school coach remarks back in December. Now we know and it explains a lot.
I think we should fire Oats and staff and hire the staff of aggietider,uagolffan,and G.O.A.T.-23 so
we can win the ncaa championship.
Maybe you should just read the articles and such the staff post on here and not take part in the discussion?
Let UCLA control tempo/ rarely applied any backcourt pressure. Played “ their” game.
I think Petty is an excellent defender, but I think Ellis is better. Just my opinion. My point is that they guarded differently since they had the 2 fouls and couldn't do what they normally do.
Ellis has certainly established himself as an elite defender. Excited to see him grow the next couple years as well.
Except for late game situations when did Alabama ever provide backcourt pressure this season? Oats touched on it in his post game presser. Bama has been one of the best half court defensive teams all season so why break character and start playing a defense that you have not utilized all season? Bama had the lead multiple times and with better ft shooting they probably have the lead the majority of the game. In a close game why do you care about the pace of play if you are a great defensive team? Didn't this defense hold at AU and against LSU in the SEC tournament?
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