Baseball ⚾️ Instead of trying to call out Coach K

[G.O.A.T-23]

Someone could easily say this team overperformed and oats squeezed the absolute best out of them to beat those teams… we’re in the world of complete subjectivity here

But I've been hearing those same people say that for 3 years now. When this team won, it was all Nate Oats's great coaching. When they lost, it was the previous coach's fault for not leaving any talent whatsoever for him to work with and now it's the players just don't play hard enough.

It amusing so many can't see the glaring issues with Oats and him just being a “system coach” without a clue on how to manage a game. When his system is working, he looks great, but when it's not he doesn't have clue what to do next.

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

But I've been hearing those same people say that for 3 years now. When this team won, it was all Nate Oats's great coaching. When they lost, it was the previous coach's fault for not leaving any talent whatsoever for him to work with.

It amusing so many can't see the glaring issues with Oats and him just being a “system coach” without a clue on how to manage a game. When his system is working, he looks great, but when it's not he doesn't have clue what to do next.

Oh I wouldn’t say the cupboard was bare for oats at all. He came into a pretty good situation on that I agree. But even your “we’ve heard the same thing for three years now” comment is ridiculous. IN 3 YEARS HES DONE MORE THAN ANY OTHER BAMA COACH HAS IN 30…

your complaints about him sound almost identical to some of my Duke fans’ complaints about K. All fanbases are the same. If Duke loses in the championship game these guys will be complaining that K mismanaged the roster and yada yada… always a few nut bags in every fanbase.

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

A normal 6 seed doesn't have wins over Gonzaga, Houston, Tennessee, and Baylor all in the same season. That along shows they have a lot of talent on this team. If Oats knew was a better game day coach, one who had a second or third pitch, this team should have been no worse than a 3 seed.

Again… this is all subjective. If you like oats he overachieved by beating those teams. If you dislike him he underachieved by losing some of the other games.

 

[winin11]

Do you think Saban would not want to play the season just because he didn't have one of his best teams? That basically what you and Oats idiotically implied.

It was early in the season and no way a legendary coach like Coach K would give up on a season for “ulterior motives.” Not to mention the most important detail is that he said the same thing BEFORE the season started.

Coach K also has had 25 seasons that shits on the “most successful” season in years that Oats had. I'm not even sure why I'm taking some of y'all replies seriously; no one outside of Alabama fans thinks this way.

 

[winin11]

We were discussing Coach K not CNS, and you sound like the idiot here. Duke had played several non conference games when he decided to try to cut the season short for all teams in the NCAA, not just his.
Mike K has lots of successful years no doubt, but that's not what the issue is. Nate Oats is at Alabama and it's his first time at a big time school and with his 3rd year in the books now and you're throwing him under the bus for something he apologized for quickly after it happened.
Lastly, go be a Duke fan or get a life-size picture of Coach K for your room. because you sure as hell aren't a Bama fan.

 

[winin11]

You think Oats could fight to preserve the season without going after Coach K?

He quickly apologized but you and your friend goat want to stir the shit up again.
You guys have too much time on your hands.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

Oh I wouldn’t say the cupboard was bare for oats at all. He came into a pretty good situation on that I agree. But even your “we’ve heard the same thing for three years now” comment is ridiculous. IN 3 YEARS HES DONE MORE THAN ANY OTHER BAMA COACH HAS IN 30…

your complaints about him sound almost identical to some of my Duke fans’ complaints about K. All fanbases are the same. If Duke loses in the championship game these guys will be complaining that K mismanaged the roster and yada yada… always a few nut bags in every fanbase.

He had one great year and I give him credit for it. Lead by those same players from the previous coach that poster here kept saying they couldn't wait for them to leave.

Again… this is all subjective. If you like oats he overachieved by beating those teams. If you dislike him he underachieved by losing some of the other games.

It has nothing to do with liking or not liking him for me. Do I think he's arrogant? Yes and I've stated that it's his arrogance the has cost Alabama games. For me, that's what its about, winning or losing. He continues to win games; he's our arrogant coach. But if his arrogance can't move Alabama past having one good year, he can take it and his blaming of the players somewhere else.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

We were discussing Coach K not CNS, and you sound like the idiot here. Duke had played several non conference games when he decided to try to cut the season short for all teams in the NCAA, not just his.
Mike K has lots of successful years no doubt, but that's not what the issue is. Nate Oats is at Alabama and it's his first time at a big time school and with his 3rd year in the books now and you're throwing him under the bus for something he apologized for quickly after it happened.
Lastly, go be a Duke fan or get a life-size picture of Coach K for your room. because you sure as hell aren't a Bama fan.

How about you read the thread title and the original post that I started and tell me again what this thread is about.

After you do that, try reading up on the whole story because your sound just as ill-informed as Nate Oats. Coach K said the same thing several times, it was NEVER because he lost a couple of games.

Spoiler: Boehiem

Syracuse's head coach Jim Boeheim came to Mike Krzyzewski's defense two days after Alabama bench boss Nate Oats questioned the legendary Duke head coach for wanting the NCAA to reassess the current collegiate season.

"Everybody knows Mike K is a friend of mine, but Mike said in the summer in September and October that we should delay the season," Boeheim said Saturday, according to Syracuse.com's Mike Waters.

"For some young coach who should know better, but didn't, to suggest that Mike Krzyzewski doesn't want to play because he lost a couple games? Yeah, he's only won 1100. Anybody who knows anything about college basketball knows that Mike Krzyzewski said that in the very beginning."

 

[pwestbro61]

How about you read the thread title and the original post that I started and tell me again what this thread is about.

After you do that, try reading up on the whole story because your sound just as ill-informed as Nate Oats. Coach K said the same thing several times, it was NEVER because he lost a couple of games.

Spoiler: Boehiem

Syracuse's head coach Jim Boeheim came to Mike Krzyzewski's defense two days after Alabama bench boss Nate Oats questioned the legendary Duke head coach for wanting the NCAA to reassess the current collegiate season.

"Everybody knows Mike K is a friend of mine, but Mike said in the summer in September and October that we should delay the season," Boeheim said Saturday, according to Syracuse.com's Mike Waters.

"For some young coach who should know better, but didn't, to suggest that Mike Krzyzewski doesn't want to play because he lost a couple games? Yeah, he's only won 1100. Anybody who knows anything about college basketball knows that Mike Krzyzewski said that in the very beginning."

Please take a day where you do not come on here with this obsessive and ridiculous Oats vendetta. Talk about making a complete mountain out of an ant hill. The great Coach K is not off limits to criticism. Oats was fighting the “ cancel culture” that existed then and continues today to a much lesser degree.
Oats apologized/ let it go.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

Please take a day where you do not come on here with this obsessive and ridiculous Oats vendetta. Talk about making a complete mountain out of an ant hill. The great Coach K is not off limits to criticism. Oats was fighting the “ cancel culture” that existed then and continues today to a much lesser degree.
Oats apologized/ let it go.

You do know that you don't have to open the thread, right?

You also might want to rephrase that, this had nothing at all to do with the “cancel culture.” A culture that started way back when the Dixie Chicks spoke against Bush and radio stations took them off the air. This is nothing like that.

 

[aggietider]

This team should not have been higher than a 6 seed. You have nothing to base that on

Base on it beating Gonzaga? Houston? Baylor?

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

Base on it beating Gonzaga? Houston? Baylor?

That’s what got them to the 6 seed with all their losses. Why not say oats coached them up and they beat some teams they had no business beating?

 

[D Isaiah T Billings-Clyde7]

Just such a ridiculous argument on oats. Books in its first chapter for him. You can like the direction of the program without claiming he is in the same light as guys who have been at schools for 20+ years. And I simply question your motives if you hate what he has going at Bama… Liking the direction doesn’t mean we are guaranteeing 5 final 4s in the next 15 year, nor does it mean he is the perfect coach with no room for growth. I believe He will win here if we don’t run him off. Just look around at the best programs out there. Most have stuck with their coach for a really long time and it wasn’t immediate success for all of them. Stability is essential and the program currently has more stability than its had in a long time with an elite class coming in. I think the rub is some of you seem extremely eager to close the book on oats which is puzzling

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

That’s what got them to the 6 seed with all their losses. Why not say oats coached them up and they beat some teams they had no business beating?

Because I watch them shit the bed over and over against teams they clearly had the talent advantage.

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

Because I watch them shit the bed over and over against teams they clearly had the talent advantage.

I can’t have the same argument about talent on this team again

 

[D Isaiah T Billings-Clyde7]

Because I watch them shit the bed over and over against teams they clearly had the talent advantage.

I’ll give you this season fell short. Like always probably somewhere in between yalls argument. I don’t think we were elite like we looked in a handful of games, and I don’t think we were as poor as we played the last 4 games either. We will have a more talented team next year and if the same problems exist then I’ll have concern.

my expectation for next year is top 5 in conference and a 5 seed in the tournament. I’m eager for a deep tournament run but it’s so unpredictable. As a 29 year old I am thrilled to have those expectations and be excited for next years team already bc I spent most of my fanhood having very very little to look forward to.

Would you rather oats take us to a final 4 next year, or have oats go in the tank the next 2 seasons and hire Saint peters coach?

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

I’ll give you this season fell short. Like always probably somewhere in between yalls argument. I don’t think we were elite like we looked in a handful of games, and I don’t think we were as poor as we played the last 4 games either. We will have a more talented team next year and if the same problems exist then I’ll have concern.

my expectation for next year is top 5 in conference and a 5 seed in the tournament. I’m eager for a deep tournament run but it’s so unpredictable. As a 29 year old I am thrilled to have those expectations and be excited for next years team already bc I spent most of my fanhood having very very little to look forward to.

Would you rather oats take us to a final 4 next year, or have oats go in the tank the next 2 seasons and hire Saint peters coach?

Saint Peter’s coach all day

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

I’ll give you this season fell short. Like always probably somewhere in between yalls argument. I don’t think we were elite like we looked in a handful of games, and I don’t think we were as poor as we played the last 4 games either. We will have a more talented team next year and if the same problems exist then I’ll have concern.

my expectation for next year is top 5 in conference and a 5 seed in the tournament. I’m eager for a deep tournament run but it’s so unpredictable. As a 29 year old I am thrilled to have those expectations and be excited for next years team already bc I spent most of my fanhood having very very little to look forward to.

Would you rather oats take us to a final 4 next year, or have oats go in the tank the next 2 seasons and hire Saint peters coach?

I don't care who the Alabama coach is as long as they are capable of getting the job done. I have my doubts about whether or not Oats can get Alabama past a year every now and then of being able to compete at the top of the SEC when everything breaks right for him.

Sadly enough, this thread wasn't even about that...

 

[winin11]

Because I watch them shit the bed over and over against teams they clearly had the talent advantage.

and.....dont forget you named yourself goat! so

 

[D Isaiah T Billings-Clyde7]

I don't care who the Alabama coach is as long as they are capable of getting the job done. I have my doubts about whether or not Oats can get Alabama past a year every now and then of being able to compete at the top of the SEC when everything breaks right for him.

Sadly enough, this thread wasn't even about that...

It was a jab at oats being an asshole. I guess that’s supposed to just go over well among Bama fans who like him

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

I don't care who the Alabama coach is as long as they are capable of getting the job done. I have my doubts about whether or not Oats can get Alabama past a year every now and then of being able to compete at the top of the SEC when everything breaks right for him.

Sadly enough, this thread wasn't even about that...

Yes… it was about that

 

[pfaud001]

Coach K was concerned for not only his player's health but his player's FAMILY health. He didn't think it was a good idea to put those kids in a bubble for 6-7 months.

Oats wasn't close to being right; Coach K did not question if the season should be played just because he lost a couple of games. It's laughable even to insinuate that was the case. It would not have been the first time he has lost a couple of games early and gone on to one of his 12 Final Four in route to one of his 5 National Championships.

That old AF coach would still coach circles around Oats any day of the week....

How was Oats not right? No college player died from Covid? The season was played and we had a tournament. It was a great season.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

and.....dont forget you named yourself goat! so

Have you ever heard of a man named Michael Jordan? I thought the 23 would be a dead giveaway...

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

It was a jab at oats being an asshole. I guess that’s supposed to just go over well among Bama fans who like him

You can still like someone and admit they were a fücking idiot for something they said. Or at least I can because I don't get my panties in a bunch...

 

[winin11]

Have you ever heard of a man named Michael Jordan? I thought the 23 would be a dead giveaway...

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

How was Oats not right? No college player died from Covid? The season was played and we had a tournament. It was a great season.

Are you slow? I would feel bad if you're mentally challenged, and I keep expecting more from you than you are capable of giving.

For the 10x ITT, this has NOTHING to do with who you think was right about playing season.

 

[Sweetlou2.0]

Are you slow? I would feel bad if you're mentally challenged, and I keep expecting more from you than you are capable of giving.

For the 10x ITT, this has NOTHING to do with who you think was right about playing season.

You’ve argued multiple times that K had legit concerns about playing out the season due to covid.

 

[pfaud001]

Are you slow? I would feel bad if you're mentally challenged, and I keep expecting more from you than you are capable of giving.

For the 10x ITT, this has NOTHING to do with who you think was right about playing season.

I agree it has nothing to do with the season. Coach K was more worried about getting busted for paying for Zion than playing basketball.

 

[pwestbro61]

Because I watch them shit the bed over and over against teams they clearly had the talent advantage.

Obsession is a bad thing. Bama was not near as talented as you imply. What did you say last year about Oats and Bama basketball? Probably just gave the players all the credit.

 

[pwestbro61]

I agree it has nothing to do with the season. Coach K was more worried about getting busted for paying for Zion than playing basketball.

Yep. He is full of false humility as well.

 

[OatsMeal]

This thread just gave me aids.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

Obsession is a bad thing. Bama was not near as talented as you imply. What did you say last year about Oats and Bama basketball? Probably just gave the players all the credit.

Yet you keep coming back to my thread; obsession is a bad thing.

Last year I thought, thank goodness he was gifted 3 players from the previous coaching staff. Three players that, correct me if I'm wrong, you couldn't wait to see leave so Oats can get HIS players in. Hell, he was even gifted Shack and Gary by the previous staff. I told you and others here not to rush those guys out the door.

Also, I've been consistent from the first year to presently saying that Oats need to modify his style of play because NO will win consistently by jacking up a shit ton of 3s every game.

I said he was a one trick pony in year one and still brand him our Gus Malzahn on the hardwood...

 

[pfaud001]

Yet you keep coming back to my thread; obsession is a bad thing.

Last year I thought, thank goodness he was gifted 3 players from the previous coaching staff. Three players that, correct me if I'm wrong, you couldn't wait to see leave so Oats can get HIS players in. Hell, he was even gifted Shack and Gary by the previous staff. I told you and others here not to rush those guys out the door.

Also, I've been consistent from the first year to presently saying that Oats need to modify his style of play because NO will win consistently by jacking up a shit ton of 3s every game.

I said he was a one trick pony in year one and still brand him our Gus Malzahn on the hardwood...

I do worry that he could turn into Gus. I also think he is smart enough to change if need be. I stood by my argument that I wanted to see what happened when you played fast and see if it worked. It does work. There were other issues that caused our fall this year. Our problem this year was not the shooting. It was the defense. We scored plenty, but our defense was weak and so was our ball handling. I loved Herb, Petty, and Reese. They played great, but the ingredient that made them most formidable was Q. He lost his mojo this year. I choose not to worry about what happened last year, and now focus on what is happens with recruiting. I choose to be hopeful.

 

[frazor]

I think 4 or 5 of you should meet up at Jacks and talk this out. That or beat the ever loving $hit out of each other. Geez Louise how has this damn thread stayed alive for so long.

 

[D Isaiah T Billings-Clyde7]

I prefer Wachovia for meet ups

I think 4 or 5 of you should meet up at Jacks and talk this out. That or beat the ever loving $hit out of each other. Geez Louise how has this damn thread stayed alive for so long.