Milroe injured?

[aggietider]

I’ve seen lots of talk on Twitter about him possibly getting hurt against SC and playing through something. It would make some sense as to how he played so bad yesterday. I saw a video of him walking pregame. Not sure if it was a true limp but it was questionable. But yesterday, less designed QB runs. I kept thinking over and over he could have escaped through the pocket and ran forever and he wouldn’t. And we didn’t take shots down the field like normal either, which is the best thing he does as a passer.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

I’ve seen lots of talk on Twitter about him possibly getting hurt against SC and playing through something. It would make some sense as to how he played so bad yesterday. I saw a video of him walking pregame. Not sure if it was a true limp but it was questionable. But yesterday, less designed QB runs. I kept thinking over and over he could have escaped through the pocket and ran forever and he wouldn’t. And we didn’t take shots down the field like normal either, which is the best thing he does as a passer.

I know I saw him take a good hit on one of his runs in that game and I was thinking “hand it off for a couple of plays and let him take a breather”. But of course we pass the next couple of plays. I don’t know if he’s hurt or not but I’m sure he will tell you it’s not an excuse for how he played. If he’s healthy enough to go, he knows he has to produce.

 

[BAMACOASTIE]

I do think he was hurt. He took a few shots in the SC game where his fellow players had to pick him up and I don't think he wanted to get up. I don't think he was 100% and if that was the case, maybe they should have tried someone else at QB. He for sure was not himself Saturday night.

 

[aggietider]

I know I saw him take a good hit on one of his runs in that game and I was thinking “hand it off for a couple of plays and let him take a breather”. But of course we pass the next couple of plays. I don’t know if he’s hurt or not but I’m sure he will tell you it’s not an excuse for how he played. If he’s healthy enough to go, he knows he has to produce.

If he’s hurt and it led to him playing his worst game, he’s not healthy enough to go.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

If he’s hurt and it led to him playing his worst game, he’s not healthy enough to go.

Yeah but the coaches, who have been pretty successful coaching this game, must have felt that him at 75% is still better than whoever at 100%. You have to trust the coaches who are paid millions of dollars to do this and are with the players every day. The best way to protect him now is to have a tradition running game and hope to God Bama gets a big enough lead to pull him.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

i just commented on this in another thread; i didn't see this one before i did. In the "Game Thread" by Henry Sklar, post #4 shows Milroe coming out on the field for warmups - looked to me that he was walking gingerly, or w/ a slight limp!

That sucks if true because there isn’t a spot on the schedule right now where you can afford to rest him.

 

[phillybob70]

What bothers me — When he is off the field he’s sitting on the bench by himself. Not on the phone with the OC in the booth, not looking @ a tablet to see what’s happening, where he can improve.

Same thing every series — Not truly going through progressions — Just throw it to Williams & hope for a miracle.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

It’s a 4 hour game and they showed him a couple of times for maybe a total of 10 seconds but now this has become the narrative for fans on this board. Do you know what he did for the 2-3 minutes before showing those few seconds? Do you know what he did for the next 2-3 minutes after they showed those few seconds? You can’t take a small glimpse of something and paint an entire picture…

 

[sham12]

It’s a 4 hour game and they showed him a couple of times for maybe a total of 10 seconds but now this has become the narrative for fans on this board. Do you know what he did for the 2-3 minutes before showing those few seconds? Do you know what he did for the next 2-3 minutes after they showed those few seconds? You can’t take a small glimpse of something and paint an entire picture…

I’ve disagreed with you in other threads but 100% agree here. There’s usually at least 5 minutes real time when he’s on the sideline, so none of us know what he’s doing the whole time and can’t assume what he’s doing from the few seconds we see

 

[aggietider]

Yeah but the coaches, who have been pretty successful coaching this game, must have felt that him at 75% is still better than whoever at 100%. You have to trust the coaches who are paid millions of dollars to do this and are with the players every day. The best way to protect him now is to have a tradition running game and hope to God Bama gets a big enough lead to pull him.

The best way to protect him from the first snap of the season was have a traditional run game.

 

[aggietider]

Maybe he was just in full strut getting ready to play but I just tend to believe it’s more of a limp.

 

[JMusso72]

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That sucks if true because there isn’t a spot on the schedule right now where you can afford to rest him.

 

[JMusso72]

I don’t remember him taking a head injury?

 

[TideFever]

IMO he was hurt before the SCe game and he took some awkward hits in that game that slowed him down even more. He was straight up slow at times against SCe. He wasn't happy that day or this past Sat and it would make sense if he's got something hurt a bit. We've been running him too much for someone we apparently can't sub out to let him rest a minute.

The big spark to his game is using his speed to keep defenses looking in the backfield. If he's hobbled even a little his game diminishes dramatically. It's a lot easier to defend him if he can't sprint to the edge and up the sideline or burst up field on a QB power.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

Maybe he was just in full strut getting ready to play but I just tend to believe it’s more of a limp.

That does look like a limp to me. Someone said after the UGA game that it’s going to be hard for him to complete the season if his usage remains so high, I would give the poster credit if I could find it but he was spot on.

 

[phillybob70]

I’ve disagreed with you in other threads but 100% agree here. There’s usually at least 5 minutes real time when he’s on the sideline, so none of us know what he’s doing the whole time and can’t assume what he’s doing from the few seconds we see

Apologies — Jumping to a conclusion about what he’s doing in the sideline.

But even my wife noted he was always looking to Williams, forcing the ball. Other guys had to be open. Just frustrating we don’t have screens to the RB in our arsenal.

 

[aggietider]

That does look like a limp to me. Someone said after the UGA game that it’s going to be hard for him to complete the season if his usage remains so high, I would give the poster credit if I could find it but he was spot on.

I’ve been saying that the whole season. I bet a bunch of people have said it. You just can’t take that punishment over and over against these teams.

 

[TideFever]

That does look like a limp to me. Someone said after the UGA game that it’s going to be hard for him to complete the season if his usage remains so high, I would give the poster credit if I could find it but he was spot on.

Yeah, a few of us were pointing that out. You're asking a lot to run your QB more than any of your RBs and in a few games as much as all RBs combined. You better be using two or three QBs if you're going to do that. Most wishbone teams found they had to play a few guys there even if it was only a one series out of 5 kind of thing.

 

[CircleSeven7777]

Yea looks like a limp. We talked about him being ran too much when we were at the Georgia game. I know he is a warrior but you can only go thru so much then you are a liability. And no I’m not saying that in a negative way it’s just that if you can’t be 100 and only 75 percent you can hurt the team

 

[BAMACOASTIE]

Let's go hypothetical for a little bit. Just say Milroe is hurt and can't evade tackles or run like he wants to. Add in that we have a o-line that he doesn't really trust. (Who can blame him). So what we have is a QB that can't run away from trouble and doesn't trust his blockers. He's already hurt and probably doesn't want to get hurt more. This would lead to looking down field once and heaving it to RW and praying that he catches it. In the first half of the Geogia game, he was picking apart the Geogia defense with short routes and check downs. Since the second half of the Geogia game, he hasn't been the same.

 

[JMusso72]

If he is hurt then why are we calling so many plays with no running back set. What do you call in on defense when there’s not a RB in the back field?

 

[JBT Assoc]

Yeah but the coaches, who have been pretty successful coaching this game, must have felt that him at 75% is still better than whoever at 100%. You have to trust the coaches who are paid millions of dollars to do this and are with the players every day. The best way to protect him now is to have a tradition running game and hope to God Bama gets a big enough lead to pull him.

Don’t disagree, but… that tradition running game thing seems unlikely to materialize, unfortunately.

 

[TideFever]

At the moment, the total carries among regular backfield players, which likely includes sacks and tfl on rpo plays...

Total carries:
Jalen Milroe 91
Jam Miller 63
Justice Hayes 47

45% of our normal play carries are the QB.

Even if you discount 14 of that 91 as sacks that's still a little over 40% of all carries by a single QB. Dude better be a tank if that keeps up for 12 games. Especially at this level of the college game.

Keep in mind we're 7 games into the season. Project that to 12 games and we're expecting Jalen to run the ball 150+ times. If we made the title game at 15 games that's 190+.

The closest QB comparison for us was Jalen Hurts running it 191 times in 2016 (15 games) and 154 times in 2017 (14 games). It's remarkable he held up for that but he also had RBs like D. Harris, Scarbrough, and J. Jacobs sharing the carries. Hurts was built like a tank and a lot of his carries he wasn't hit so much as he was pulled down and he seemed better at protecting himself. Milroe is more sports car than tank but he's taken some hits downfield.

 

[aggietider]

Don’t disagree, but… that tradition running game thing seems unlikely to materialize, unfortunately.

It won’t. It’s a mentality. Been saying it all year and it’s a mentality you better have. We ran a reverse on 4th and 1. Our receivers faked jump shots on 4th and 1. Those things don’t go with a mentality that we will get a yard whenever we want one. But if your lineman are pass setting 40 times a game, imagine how much they are working on it at practice. It’s a mentality and we don’t have that.

 

[PoppaCherry]

He has 2 upper body injuries he sustained the last 2 weeks that he’s playing through. I won’t disclosed because you never know who’s reading but this is something I know. They’re not anything that would cause him to miss but have obviously affected his performance

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

He has 2 upper body injuries he sustained the last 2 weeks that he’s playing through. I won’t disclosed because you never know who’s reading but this is something I know. They’re not anything that would cause him to miss but have obviously affected his performance

It is a waste of your time posting it here anyway. Despite everything that young man has done on and off the field, there is still a group of “anyone but Milroe” fans here who will just say you’re making excuses for him.

 

[BCtider]

It is a waste of your time posting it here anyway. Despite everything that young man has done on and off the field, there is still a group of “anyone but Milroe” fans here who will just say you’re making excuses for him.

I am a Milroe fan but if he can’t scramble out of trouble effectively or throw the football accurately then Ty Simpson should be starting until Milroe can do those things. It hurts this team when Milroe will not run from the pocket because that’s what really helps keep drives alive.

 

[G.O.A.T-23]

I am a Milroe fan but if he can’t scramble out of trouble effectively or throw the football accurately then Ty Simpson should be starting until Milroe can do those things. It hurts this team when Milroe will not run from the pocket because that’s what really helps keep drives alive.

Maybe, but maybe the coaches doesn’t have faith in anyone behind him to get the win. I know fans LOVE the backup, but these coaches see them every single day and I believe they do what’s best for the team.

If Milroe has played hurt the last few games, it’s because he loves Alabama and the coaches feel like even at 75% or whatever, he gives Bama the best chance to win. He could have very easily sat out if he was about himself. He was being projected as the possible #1 pick. Playing hurt has dropped him in most Mock Drafts, he still board line top 10 but that’s a lot of money lost from the #1 pick to the #12 pick…

 

[phillybob70]

Or maybe because he’s the team Captain they’re afraid to bench him?

Which leads to the next question — Is the tail wagging the dog?

 

[PoppaCherry]

I am a Milroe fan but if he can’t scramble out of trouble effectively or throw the football accurately then Ty Simpson should be starting until Milroe can do those things. It hurts this team when Milroe will not run from the pocket because that’s what really helps keep drives alive.

We saw what Ty Simpson could do last year vs USF

 

[JBT Assoc]

It won’t. It’s a mentality. Been saying it all year and it’s a mentality you better have. We ran a reverse on 4th and 1. Our receivers faked jump shots on 4th and 1. Those things don’t go with a mentality that we will get a yard whenever we want one. But if your lineman are pass setting 40 times a game, imagine how much they are working on it at practice. It’s a mentality and we don’t have that.

I am not persuaded that DeBoer cares a lot about the running game.

 

[cardcrimson]

I am not persuaded that DeBoer cares a lot about the running game.

Well, last year Washington had the 21st leading rusher in the country, gaining 1195 yards during the regular season. Jase McClellan came in at 58th with 890 yards. . . .

 

[JMusso72]

Don’t disagree, but… that tradition running game thing seems unlikely to materialize, unfortunately.

Coaches are humans. They watched as Milroe stood in the doorway and prevented some players from jumping ship. It would be hard for me to replace a player like Milroe. Milroe is a fine young man that has the right attitude. But so did JHurts. If Saban hadn’t had the insight to go to hurts and say I’m putting Tua in the game at half time we would have loss that game. Saban was torn by that decision. When Hurts came in and won the game against Georgia Saban cried on national TV. Sometimes there is a time for a change regardless of how you feel about a special young man like Milroe.

 

[JBT Assoc]

Coaches are humans. They watched as Milroe stood in the doorway and prevented some players from jumping ship. It would be hard for me to replace a player like Milroe. Milroe is a fine young man that has the right attitude. But so did JHurts. If Saban hadn’t had the insight to go to hurts and say I’m putting Tua in the game at half time we would have loss that game. Saban was torn by that decision. When Hurts came in and won the game against Georgia Saban cried on national TV. Sometimes there is a time for a change regardless of how you feel about a special young man like Milroe.

I’ve never advocated for replacing Milroe.
I merely commented that I don’t think the run game, making more use of the RBs, is going to get emphasized. I also doubt our OL can make it work particularly well if CKD wanted to rely on it more.