Yep and we saw it today. Rojas SHOULD be the odd man out but Oats is close with him so who knows.
Football Recruiting Nimari Burnett
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JMO but these are not the first two I'd look to.
This is what I was wondering. How many people here really know this kid Burnett, what his recruitment was like that took him to T Tech, what he was told, and what has transpired since his arrival to Lubbock, TX? A lot of crazy stuff is going on in the world right now as well so I wonder if Burnett or his family are dealing with anything? I totally get the sentiment that it's not cool to leave your team in the middle of the season, but just feel that there may be more to the story. I trust Oats to make a good decision. The kid sounds like an elite talent and will hopefully learn from any mistakes he has made.
About guys on the end of our bench - it was amazing to see Ambrose-Hylton, Miles, and Gary play the way they did. What a difference a bit of confidence can do. I was texting a friend during the KY game that Gary looked like we should move him off the basketball roster and try him at edge rusher as he looks cat-quick and strong and completely uncoordinated for b-ball. Then against Arkansas he displayed soft hands and quick feet multiple times to gather himself in traffic and finish at the rim. Ambrose of course had that dunk over the 7'3'' dude who I feel sorry for how slow that kid is. And Miles flashed some skills on a number of possessions. Oats has done a heck of a job flipping this roster and there's not one scholarship player that is deadweight to me (at the same time I agree that you always work on improving your roster, so those guys at the end have to keep improving to stick with us).
After so many years in the wilderness, seems like a great time to be a Bama BASKETBALL fan. Roll Tide!
He would not be ending his career, he would be finishing his commitment before transferring out and continuing to better himself at his next stop. I realize that not everyone was raised like I was where your word is your bond, but I believe the younger generation ( please believe me when I say NOT ALL of the younger generation), but some just say what people want to hear to get to the next day and their word means absolutely nothing.
ROLL TIDE!!!!
I think Rojas may be the one gone if they get Burnett.
You mean... like coaches who can leave at any time without punishment? Its completely acceptable for coaches who are making tons of money to lie to kids, but if a kid who's playing for free thinks transferring will help his career it makes him a bad person. I'll say to you what I've said previously: holding that opinion says more about you than it does about players attempting to transfer and better their situation.
NO ONE IS CONDEMING BURNETT FOR LEAVING!
It's the fact it was declared in the middle of the season is what the folks ITT disagree with. Literally EVERY person ITT who disagrees with the decision has said they have no issue with the transfer decision, it's the timing of the decision that makes him look bad.
Either you are a troll under a bridge who is making generalizations about folks' character based on an opinion to make you feel better about your own shortcomings (we all have them), or your reading comprehension skills are about as sub-par as can be.
It does say more about me and I am damn proud of that. When I tell you I will do something you can take it to the damn bank and I will never apologize for keeping my word.
As for your idiotic comment about coaches leaving, that is like comparing apples and turds because very few coaches have bailed on their team 10 games into a season to go elsewhere, they usually finish before leaving. What type university would want a coach that would quit mid season to come and coach their kids.
And you (like me) have no damn idea at all if the coach lied to him, two sides to every story.
You seem quick to judge many in this thread, check your character at the door before judging others. I disagree with you adamantly, but I am not one to judge you, but hey I guess that’s just how I was raised. Be safe
Great post CT4, you are absolutely correct, ZERO issues with him or ANY KID transferring out to better their situation, just the timing of mid season the issue. As I have gotten older, I actually hope that old enemies are doing well and financially sound so I certainly wish this kid no ill will at all. I am officially done responding because I believe that you are right “I have been trolled”
ROLL TIDE!!
Don't worry, if he comes to Bama and balls out no one will be complaining and ask this transfer mess will be forgotten.....
you nailed it. nobody likes to run off players but if you dont somebody might run oats off.
I think Rojas is also subject to being an attitude problem.
Certainly not damning evidence, but after being pulled his whole demeanor seemed quite poor on the sideline, during timeouts, in general. seemed negative.
And we disagree that it makes him look bad. I think anyone who thinks coaches can leave mid season while getting paid but thinks that students cannot leave mid season while not getting paid have questionable character. I stand by that. I do not think burnett is a bad person and I still hope he helps lead us to a championship. I also hope his additional time getting to know his teammates improves both himself and our team.
Is it only student athletes (the ones who aren't getting paid) that you have a problem with leaving during a season? If you're willing to say all school administrations and coaches are bad people too, then I guess we can at least say you're consistent.
Where are you getting the bad person thing? You seem to be conjuring that up yourself. No one is saying the kid is a bad person. No I wouldn’t be okay with a coach quitting on his team in the middle of a season.
Those of you who have your panties in a wad over Burnett transferring mid-season are mind-numbingly dumb. Holy shit I am so much dumber for having read this thread.
You said you aren't ok with him. I am ok with him. I think players should do what they think is best for them. I dont know why anyone would suggest a player MUST do something that they don't think is best for them. I would never tell a player he shouldn't practice with a team he wants to be on, he should instead practice with a team he doesn't want to be on.
I've had to do a lot of shit in my life that I didn't want to do to get where I'm at in my profession, and I'm a lot better for it for having gone through those things. If it indeed is a coach/player issue that's over the line, that's one thing. If it's playing time, or system fit, just fulfil your obligation for the remainder of the year and then leave.
I've changed jobs before to better the situation for my family and I, but I have ALWAYS worked out a 2 weeks notice, and have made sure everything on my end is in order before my departure. This lead me to having every company I have previously worked for, offering me a job to come back at some later point in time. Does that directly relate in parallel in this specific situation? No, parts of it don't, but the principal is still the same.
1. Fulfil your obligations before leaving
2. Leave on good terms
3. More opportunities later in life
For any one person who does not agree with this, I'm not judging your character based on an opinion on a message board. That's asinine. If this is a situation where Burnett is quitting on his team due to PT or related issues, then it's the coward's way out. Plain and simple. If it's an abuse/toxic issue with the staff, that's different. Either way, if he comes to Bama and contributes, and doesn't impact the program in a negative way, I'm totally fine with him transferring here.
So you've got it backwards. You hold the people playing for free to a higher standard than the millionaires.
What if the player decided it was best for him to not practice? Only play in games... practice he’s risking injury. That good? Also, I said I’m not okay with a player making that decision... doesn’t mean I think he’s a bad person. You seem to have a very binary approach to this whole discussion.
Yes I do have a binary approach to this, I think anyone who thinks a player should practice with a team they don't want to be on instead of practicing with a team they do want to be on is wrong. I think he should spend more time with the team he wants to be on. I will always side with players as long as they are playing for free while their coaches can sign million dollar deals and bail on them at any time and someone make even MORE money by leaving.
Say you and I worked for the same company, doing the same thing. I make 4$ more per hour than you due to having been there longer. Should you and I both be held to the same standards at our work place? I know what my answer is, and I bet I know your answer judging by your responses so far.
These athletes aren't playing for free. They're being provided a tuition of 30-50k per year, board, books, meals. Just because it's not of monetary value in their pockets, doesn't mean they're not getting reimbursed for their service, and yes, playing sports for a university to entertain fans of said university in order to generate income for the institution is a service.
Again, you have this backwards. The literal only way they're able to get away with not paying players is by arguing in court that they aren't employees. If the courts deemed the students employees, the universities would have to pay the players. Regarding your question, I will hold the millionaires to a higher standard than the unpaid 18 year olds every single time. If a millionaire can negotiate a better deal for himself mid season, why can't the 18 year old?
So two employees working for the same company doing the same job, but with different pay, shouldn't be held to the same standard? That tells me all I need to know. Done with this conversation. Y'all can have it.
So again... if a player decides it’s “best for him” to not practice with his team and only play in games. Good decision? Support that?
What are you talking about? I'm saying that a person that literally is punished if they accept 100$ should not be held to a higher standard than coaches making 5 million a year. I dont even understand what you're trying to argue here. There is no world in which students should be looked at as morally corrupt for transferring, you're clearly wrong if that's what you think. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
Sure. The coach has the ability to prevent him from playing in that case if he wants. The player made a decision, knew the potential consequences, and accepts that. Just like burnett accepts that its possible his new destination may not be better for him than his current destination. But he made the decision so I have no reason to punish him for it. I'm not gonna call a player a bad person if he thinks he's unable to practice. John metchie didn't practice the month before the championship,I don't personally think he's a bad person but if you feel that way then so be it.
Do you think a coach should allow a player on his team to not practice with the team? I’m not going to continue to engage in your “bad person” nonsense. It’s been mentioned ad nauseum that no one is calling the kid a bad person. So... should a coach allow a player to make that decision and continue to play?
You said you're not ok with him. I am ok with him. And we are fans, we don't make decisions in the locker room. But yes, nick saban literally just did it. He holds the right to allow or not allow a player to play. You and I (im assuming you aren't on the coaching staff) do not, so our opinions on the player's decision do not matter.
What situation are you referring to with Saban? Metchie? Due to his injury? I’m asking you if a perfectly healthy player said, “I’m too good to risk injury in practice. I only want to play in the games and not practice with the team.” Yes, I get that the coach makes the decision and fans don’t. But, hypothetically, if you were a coach, would you allow a star player to make that decision?
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I would probably not let him play, I would recommend he transfer to somewhere who would let him do that. And I would sit back on my 10s of millions of dollars and not criticize a kid who is making 0$. You're going to keep getting the same answer from me, but feel free to keep asking random hypotheticals in an attempt to prove your backwards point that college athletes should not be allowed to do what they think is best for them, while also deciding schools aren't to blame for doing the exact same thing
I appreciate you answering the question. It’s not a random hypothetical. It relates to the discussion. So, if you were a coach there would be a limit to your “everyone can do what they believe is best for them and their career” theory. Just to be clear, that doesn’t make you a “bad person”... it means as a coach you would have to make certain decisions regarding player choices and how they could potentially impact your program. You’re drawing the line at a different place than me, which is fine. You would say, “I don’t want a kid who refuses to practice.” I would agree but I also don’t want a kid who quits on his team mid-season. I get the reasoning for wanting Burnett and if we get him I hope he takes us to a Final 4. But I hope you now see the flaw in your logic. Not every decision a kid thinks is best for him should be allowed because it has the potential to be destructive to the program.
No, you're misunderstanding decisions with consequences. Burnett is free to make any decision he wants, and he accepts the risk that it may not put him in a better situation than he's in now. A player is free to say he doesn't want to risk getting hurt in practice, and he accepts the risk that he may not get to play if he doesn't practice. Every decision has a risk associated with it and as long as these kids are good accepting the risk, then I'm good accepting their decision
Nope. Not misunderstanding that at all. I 100% believe Burnett should be free to make the decision he’s made. I also believe any player should be free to decide theyre not going to practice. In both cases, I believe a consequence would be they would not be welcome to participate in my program. I’m sure there would be other programs in which that’s not a consequence for those decisions.
I also don't believe transferring should be looked at the same way as a healthy player refusing to practice. Yes those are both decisions that are up to the players, but I don't view them the same. I just don't understand why a player who doesn't want to be on a team anymore should be told he has to continue practicing with the team he doesn't want to be on, and should not be allowed to do anything with the team he does want to be on. If we have someone who doesn't want to be on the team, I would rather them go ahead and leave than stick around because someone on a message board might question their decision.
Do you honestly think I believe Burnett should make any life decision based on what I say on a message board? You’ve already proven a player believing something is in his own best interest is not the sole criteria for good decision making. I’ll let you have the last word. Can’t believe I’ve lasted this long.
