Game thread: No. 6 Alabama at No. 20 Arkansas

[bamabuilt22daddy]

You have all the answers until you get a direct question. Who are the best players on this team? Any coach in the SEC is going to focus on Herb and Petty first. But you don't even want them to play. So whatever you do in your "association" is far beyond any SEC coach.

The best player on the team is shack hands down. Hes been the most important piece of the year. The 2nd is Keon Ellis. We've had him as high as 28th player going in 2022 for his 2 way ability. The smartest thing Oats did was go after Bruner. Bruner is the smartest player on every court he steps on. Primo CAN be the best player on the court but teams take him out to start the game. Teams do not focus on Herb. JQ is going to be incredibly good and has moments now. Petty has improved play all around, but if he's not locked in he will walk up and down the court. Herb's offensive decision making is going to keep him from being drafted but expect him to sign a 2 way contract ASAP

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

I agree Ellis should be in the starting lineup... but there’s a clear role player who for some reason is a starter and it’s primo.

If Primo gets hot early. its over

 

[aggietider]

The best player on the team is shack hands down. Hes been the most important piece of the year. The 2nd is Keon Ellis. We've had him as high as 28th player going in 2022 for his 2 way ability. The smartest thing Oats did was go after Bruner. Bruner is the smartest player on every court he steps on. Primo CAN be the best player on the court but teams take him out to start the game. Teams do not focus on Herb. JQ is going to be incredibly good and has moments now. Petty has improved play all around, but if he's not locked in he will walk up and down the court. Herb's offensive decision making is going to keep him from being drafted but expect him to sign a 2 way contract ASAP

HAHA. All you see is potential. You don't see reality.

 

[aggietider]

If Primo gets hot early. its over

No, it's not. Teams have learned to just stick to him. He isn't going to get looks. He gets knocked around too easy with and without the ball. He isn't getting shots unless JQ turns it up about 100 notches and forces help. Nobody else can force the help, besides maybe Ellis. No need to help on Herb, Petty or Shack really off the dribble.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

HAHA. All you see is potential. You don't see reality.

I do. and reality is the potential comes out the more they play. okay picture this. These guys floors are at the ceilings for herb and petty. Herb topped out in the 1st half of the year. Petty can be really good if he makes a few early. But with our style and how we distribute minutes we are only as good as our bench.

 

[frazor]

You know how indy cant post due to where he works

Wait, what? I thought you were Indy?? Shtick sure smells the same.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

No, it's not. Teams have learned to just stick to him. He isn't going to get looks. He gets knocked around too easy with and without the ball. He isn't getting shots unless JQ turns it up about 100 notches and forces help. Nobody else can force the help, besides maybe Ellis. No need to help on Herb, Petty or Shack really off the dribble.

The games hes been hot its freed everyone else up and we've played well. The most important feature when primo gets hot is how teams then handle shack at the same time.

 

[Sweetlou10]

If Primo gets hot early. its over

Not really. He’ll just stop shooting because he can’t create. Only catch and shoot.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

Wait, what? I thought you were Indy?? Shtick sure smells the same.

Indy is in Indy, where the HQ of the NCAA is.........

 

[pwestbro61]

It’s amazing we were only down 1 at the half. If we can get fully healthy, we are legit.

2nd half says maybe not. Just looked awful. And it is not all on the officials.

 

[Bocat69]

42 ft to 8 ft absolutely ridiculous! Nate Oats should've been tossed, a player shouldn't have to be the one step up and get tossed. We played 8 people and were still up early in the second half. I can take a loss in a game like this. But to be fair just didnt seem to be locked in tonight..

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

Not really. He’ll just stop shooting because he can’t create. Only catch and shoot.

well I guess I dont disagree with ya

 

[winin11]

Don’t blame the refs, blame the program on this loss. We were not prepared to give the effort needed to win tonight.
we fouled the hog players almost every possession.
the coaches and players are to blame tonight. I hope they figure it out real soon.

 

[nelsontaylor555]

I hate to say this, but who was the last really good team we beat?

the last 3 really good teams we have played we have lost. We have done a really good job beating the LSU’s and Florida’s, but we are not a top 15 team.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

2nd half says maybe not. Just looked awful. And it is not all on the officials.

13-2. We're allowed to lose 1 or 2. We will easily win the SEC. In oats 2nd year. I LOVE IT

 

[aggietider]

The games hes been hot its freed everyone else up and we've played well. The most important feature when primo gets hot is how teams then handle shack at the same time.

But he can't create. He was only hot bc teams were helping off of him. They're not doing that anymore, so he isn't going to get shots unless someone creates shots for him.

 

[pwestbro61]

We’re not a top team. Not even top in the sec. Don’t know what happened but this isn’t the same team that went on that winning streak. Keep playing like this and we’ll get bounced from the sec tourney and be one and done in the big dance. Just awful basketball the last couple of weeks.

Yep. Pretty accurate. Saw this game coming from a mile away. This type of game needs to temper expectations come tourney time. Could easily get bounced first weekend. I actually expect exactly that to happen.
Herb Jones with another NBA like performance tonight. Comical.

 

[frazor]

A few weeks ago people were helping off of our shooters, even when they didn't need to. It wasn't that we were just blowing by people. Now they've realized to stick to shooters and make our guards win off the dribble around the basket and we haven't had a great answer for that. JQ should be the answer, but hasn't exactly been that. More motion and movement in the half court wouldn't be a bad thing either for this group with how people are playing us.

Yeah I hate it when Q is dribbling for 15 seconds 33 feet from the basket and nobody else is moving. WTH are they doing? Q had a turnover on iso ball a few games ago and he looked at Oats and said "what do you want me to do?" As in "nobody else is doing a $#%ing thing to help." He has got to know when a big is standing between him and the goal he has to find an alternate play besides attempting a layup.

 

[aggietider]

I do. and reality is the potential comes out the more they play. okay picture this. These guys floors are at the ceilings for herb and petty. Herb topped out in the 1st half of the year. Petty can be really good if he makes a few early. But with our style and how we distribute minutes we are only as good as our bench.

They've been worse recently than they were. You can go look back, I said Primo would be our best player by this point in the year. He isn't. I also thought a ton of Ellis. They have potential but they aren't ready to be the guys. Herb and Petty don't need to be the guys but we don't have much choice with this group. JQ is the wild card. If he can start to play better, everybody else on the team gets better.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

But he can't create. He was only hot bc teams were helping off of him. They're not doing that anymore, so he isn't going to get shots unless someone creates shots for him.

I agree with you there. but it hasn't stopped him from draining contested shots in many situations. I'm not high on him like most on this board as far as those saying he's a 1st round pick. Is he? no. Will he be? yes. Incredibly dangerous in coming years. I seem down, but I've had a blast as a fan this. year. But coming years.....scary.

 

[aggietider]

I agree with you there. but it hasn't stopped him from draining contested shots in many situations. I'm not high on him like most on this board as far as those saying he's a 1st round pick. Is he? no. Will he be? yes. Incredibly dangerous in coming years. I seem down, but I've had a blast as a fan this. year. But coming years.....scary.

We agree on things, just on a different timeline.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

We agree on things, just on a different timeline.

we need to watch a game together

 

[frazor]

I hate to say this, but who was the last really good team we beat?

the last 3 really good teams we have played we have lost. We have done a really good job beating the LSU’s and Florida’s, but we are not a top 15 team.

I don't want to believe this but it is hard to argue with that. I just hoped to make the tournament this year so winning the conference and getting a 2 seed would be fantastic. I don't know if Bama would be in the top half of the Big12 conference.

 

[bamabuilt22daddy]

I don't want to believe this but it is hard to argue with that. I just hoped to make the tournament this year so winning the conference and getting a 2 seed would be fantastic. I don't know if Bama would be in the top half of the Big12 conference.

the same conference the sec beat in the b12/sec challenge? yep. sounds logical. grade a game where the difference in ft's was 43-8. yep....logical

 

[aggietider]

we need to watch a game together

Next year when we have JD running the point, Primo at the 2, Keon at the 3, somebody breathing at the 4 and Tchikou/Gary at the 5. With JQ coming of the bench...and whoever stays or comes in new. I expect our offense to be a different animal.

 

[frazor]

the same conference the sec beat in the b12/sec challenge? yep. sounds logical. grade a game where the difference in ft's was 43-8. yep....logical

Hahahahaha

 

[Tiderfl]

Boys better be ready for State.

 

[nelsontaylor555]

After this weekend our only win against a ranked team will be our win over Arkansas when they gimped into Colman after their coach tried to kill them the day before in practice. Not to downplay what the team has accomplished but anytime they have actually faced a top 15 team we have gotten our doors blown off. I am excited about Bama basketball but knew deep down we are 20-30 team.

 

[pwestbro61]

After this weekend our only win against a ranked team will be our win over Arkansas when they gimped into Colman after their coach tried to kill them the day before in practice. Not to downplay what the team has accomplished but anytime they have actually faced a top 15 team we have gotten our doors blown off. I am excited about Bama basketball but knew deep down we are 20-30 team.

Spot on correct. But that does not fit the narrative of some.

 

[cpat4bama]

Can we get the Nate Oats post game? Really wanna hear what he has to say.

 

[aggietider]

Can we get the Nate Oats post game? Really wanna hear what he has to say.

I usually find quotes on twitter before anything else. But I have a feeling effort and fixing things from film are on there...always are.

 

[cpat4bama]

I usually find quotes on twitter before anything else. But I have a feeling effort and fixing things from film are on there...always are.

Found some. Was hoping for a little more from him.


“Well we have no control over the officiating,” Oats said. “So if you’re going to worry about stuff you have no control over and you’re not very good at the stuff you do have control over and we weren’t very good at that stuff tonight. We have to quit worrying about the officiating. They’re going to officiate the game the way they’re going to officiate it and we’ve got to worry about what we can control and we have to do a better job of that.”

Oats pointed to the Tide’s subpar 3-point shooting as a factor as the visitors went 4-for-16 from long range after halftime.

The disparity in foul shots, however, was uncommonly high.

What did Oats think of that?

“I’m not trying to give any money back to anybody but I’m not going to talk too much about it,” Oats said, referencing the potential fines he could receive from the SEC for criticizing officials. “But part of it is, I mean, we were fouling some. We have to move our feet and get into position. We’ve got to try to not foul on 3-point shooters.

 

[cpat4bama]

Nate Oats talks foul issues, what happened on John Petty’s ejection

Alabama was called for a season-high 32 fouls at Arkansas.

www.google.com

 

[aggietider]

Found some. Was hoping for a little more from him.


“Well we have no control over the officiating,” Oats said. “So if you’re going to worry about stuff you have no control over and you’re not very good at the stuff you do have control over and we weren’t very good at that stuff tonight. We have to quit worrying about the officiating. They’re going to officiate the game the way they’re going to officiate it and we’ve got to worry about what we can control and we have to do a better job of that.”

Oats pointed to the Tide’s subpar 3-point shooting as a factor as the visitors went 4-for-16 from long range after halftime.

The disparity in foul shots, however, was uncommonly high.

What did Oats think of that?

“I’m not trying to give any money back to anybody but I’m not going to talk too much about it,” Oats said, referencing the potential fines he could receive from the SEC for criticizing officials. “But part of it is, I mean, we were fouling some. We have to move our feet and get into position. We’ve got to try to not foul on 3-point shooters.

I’d like somebody to ask him about his use of timeouts, or lack thereof. Like, do you believe in using timeouts to break momentum or do you just prefer to let your guys play through it?

 

[cpat4bama]

I’d like somebody to ask him about his use of timeouts, or lack thereof. Like, do you believe in using timeouts to break momentum or do you just prefer to let your guys play through it?

You and me both brother.